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  • joshhunt@hachyderm.ioJ joshhunt@hachyderm.io

    @jaffathecake Maybe there's some definition of "developers" in the spec process, but I think it is problematic to consider "developers" to be one giant mass.

    I agree with you - this is a bad API. But especially given the topic, I think this process self-selects for the most vocal, and I can imagine there are loads of developers out there that are genuinely supportive of an API like this.

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    @joshhunt if there is then they failed to show it. They posted a couple of links, including a survey about something else.

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    • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

      So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

      Mozilla: Opposed
      WebKit: Opposed
      Microsoft: Several concerns
      W3C TAG: Several concerns
      Developers: Mostly negative

      Chrome: Ships anyway.

      A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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      @jaffathecake

      Alternatives are available.
      https://www.firefox.com

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      • bit@ohai.socialB bit@ohai.social

        @jaffathecake

        Alternatives are available.
        https://www.firefox.com

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        @bit I switched to it last year and not had any issues.  It's a great alternative if your tired of all the nonsense Chrome keeps rolling out.

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        • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

          @jaffathecake
          Google / Alphabet needs to have Android & Chrome divested from them and them kicked out of everything.

          They are an Advertising agency that cares nothing about local laws or people.
          Somel finance from Eric Schmidt, who was CEO for a while. Hides from public eye and hardly mentioned in history of Google. He turned it into an advertising agency fuelled by surveillance.
          Google Analytics and Recaptcha are evil tools they use that no-one should deploy, or any other Google service.

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          @jaffathecake
          Amazon, Google, Apple, Musk etc show the huge flaw in allowing shares as collateral for loans as "payment" for a takeover, often described as a merger.

          Obscene Capitalism.

          Link Preview Image
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          Musk is rich by background, luck & stupidity of other people, partly Peter Thiel.

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          Paid Tesla to claim he was a founder.

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          • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

            So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

            Mozilla: Opposed
            WebKit: Opposed
            Microsoft: Several concerns
            W3C TAG: Several concerns
            Developers: Mostly negative

            Chrome: Ships anyway.

            A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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            @jaffathecake Internal politics trumps external reactions every time.

            I am currently using waterfox, a Clean fork of Firefox ( no AI features, kill switch or no )

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            • phl@mastodon.socialP phl@mastodon.social

              @jaffathecake @nachtfunke I loved that one when I read it the other day 😄 The strongly supportive was one comment in a github issue, a blog that doesn't exist anymore, and another blog post. Overwhelming interest, overwhelming support! 😄

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              @phl @jaffathecake @nachtfunke

              Ya know they say threes a crowd 😅

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              • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                Mozilla: Opposed
                WebKit: Opposed
                Microsoft: Several concerns
                W3C TAG: Several concerns
                Developers: Mostly negative

                Chrome: Ships anyway.

                A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                @jaffathecake

                Given the other shit that Google is shipping the moment, their browser won't be going onto any system that doesn't absolutely need it.

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                • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                  So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                  Mozilla: Opposed
                  WebKit: Opposed
                  Microsoft: Several concerns
                  W3C TAG: Several concerns
                  Developers: Mostly negative

                  Chrome: Ships anyway.

                  A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                  @jaffathecake

                  Google is on the boycott list.
                  They’re too big for anyone’s good & are tied in with the two governments that care more about big brother surveillance and holy wars than their people.

                  I like ecosia (they plant trees for each search)
                  Brave and Firefox are cool too

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                  • nachtfunke@indieweb.socialN nachtfunke@indieweb.social

                    @jaffathecake what are we as developers supposed to do here? We have literally no say in this whatsoever.

                    It’s a genuine question, what are we supposed to? Because I subjectively feel like we could have done something maybe 10 years ago, but now…?

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                    #23

                    @nachtfunke @jaffathecake oh that's easy developers needed to keep using and supporting Firefox because open internet matters more than anything else.

                    Sadly, majority of developers failed at that, just like they did with Internet Exploder.

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                    • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                      So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                      Mozilla: Opposed
                      WebKit: Opposed
                      Microsoft: Several concerns
                      W3C TAG: Several concerns
                      Developers: Mostly negative

                      Chrome: Ships anyway.

                      A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                      @jaffathecake Sounds kind of like how #Mozilla pushed ahead with #AI even after your lying polls about the provenance of training data in translations and the multitude of negative comments here and on Mozilla Connect.

                      Pretty good blind spot for Mozilla - you can only tell when things are bad when your competitors do it.

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                      • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                        So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                        Mozilla: Opposed
                        WebKit: Opposed
                        Microsoft: Several concerns
                        W3C TAG: Several concerns
                        Developers: Mostly negative

                        Chrome: Ships anyway.

                        A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                        @jaffathecake internet explorer from its grave.

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                        • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                          @joshhunt if there is then they failed to show it. They posted a couple of links, including a survey about something else.

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                          @jaffathecake @joshhunt it's like the XSLT situation in reverse

                          Google: we want to drop XSLT support

                          web developers: we really want you to keep XSLT and possibly upgrade support for v3 of the standard so we can use it with JSON too

                          Google: OK, we've listened to everybody's opinion and nobody wants XSLT so we're dropping it.

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                          • oblomov@sociale.networkO oblomov@sociale.network

                            @jaffathecake @joshhunt it's like the XSLT situation in reverse

                            Google: we want to drop XSLT support

                            web developers: we really want you to keep XSLT and possibly upgrade support for v3 of the standard so we can use it with JSON too

                            Google: OK, we've listened to everybody's opinion and nobody wants XSLT so we're dropping it.

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                            @jaffathecake @joshhunt

                            (and obviously Mozilla follows suit, because why are they there if not to suck up to the bully)

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                            • yoasif@mastodon.socialY yoasif@mastodon.social

                              @jaffathecake Sounds kind of like how #Mozilla pushed ahead with #AI even after your lying polls about the provenance of training data in translations and the multitude of negative comments here and on Mozilla Connect.

                              Pretty good blind spot for Mozilla - you can only tell when things are bad when your competitors do it.

                              Link Preview Image
                              Firefox’s AI Kill Switch is a Trap: How Mozilla Made AI Your Problem

                              TL;DR: Mozilla recently released AI controls for Firefox: a singlecontrol panel that lets people disable AI features in the browser or pick andchoose which t...

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                              @yoasif @jaffathecake If the word ends in an s-like phoneme, you're supposed to eschew the s after the apostrophe.

                              E.g. For Fox' sake! 😉

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                              • platymew@layer8.spaceP platymew@layer8.space

                                @yoasif @jaffathecake If the word ends in an s-like phoneme, you're supposed to eschew the s after the apostrophe.

                                E.g. For Fox' sake! 😉

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                                @platymew @jaffathecake MLA and Chicago Manual of Style agree with what I did, at least: https://grammarist.com/punctuation/apostrophe-after-s-rules-and-examples/

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                                • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                                  So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                                  Mozilla: Opposed
                                  WebKit: Opposed
                                  Microsoft: Several concerns
                                  W3C TAG: Several concerns
                                  Developers: Mostly negative

                                  Chrome: Ships anyway.

                                  A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                                  @jaffathecake There's a serious question to be asked about whether an engine shipping things which the broader standards community is opposed to can still be considered a standards compliant browser.

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                                  • yoasif@mastodon.socialY yoasif@mastodon.social

                                    @platymew @jaffathecake MLA and Chicago Manual of Style agree with what I did, at least: https://grammarist.com/punctuation/apostrophe-after-s-rules-and-examples/

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                                    @yoasif @jaffathecake Ah, yes, the Bri'ish vs. 'murrican vs. Internet rules of englishing. 🖖😅👍

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                                    • schouten_b@mastodon.socialS schouten_b@mastodon.social

                                      @jaffathecake There's a serious question to be asked about whether an engine shipping things which the broader standards community is opposed to can still be considered a standards compliant browser.

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                                      @Schouten_B @jaffathecake Hasn't that happened before? Who else supported PNaCl?

                                      I think that is kind of an academic question too, unfortunately - most developers seem to care less about whether something is a standard, and more about whether their userbase can access the feature.

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                                      • yoasif@mastodon.socialY yoasif@mastodon.social

                                        @Schouten_B @jaffathecake Hasn't that happened before? Who else supported PNaCl?

                                        I think that is kind of an academic question too, unfortunately - most developers seem to care less about whether something is a standard, and more about whether their userbase can access the feature.

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                                        @yoasif @jaffathecake Sure, I think the PNaCl objections were of a different, less fundamental nature, but yeah, this is a question I've asked myself more often.

                                        And sure, humans fundamentally look out for number 1 first. You're not wrong, but some do care about standards, I've been considering blocking Chrome on my own sites. Since they aren't commercial anyway and I don't care if people won't switch browsers in order to access them 🙂.

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