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  • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

    So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

    Mozilla: Opposed
    WebKit: Opposed
    Microsoft: Several concerns
    W3C TAG: Several concerns
    Developers: Mostly negative

    Chrome: Ships anyway.

    A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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    #19

    @jaffathecake Internal politics trumps external reactions every time.

    I am currently using waterfox, a Clean fork of Firefox ( no AI features, kill switch or no )

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    • phl@mastodon.socialP phl@mastodon.social

      @jaffathecake @nachtfunke I loved that one when I read it the other day 😄 The strongly supportive was one comment in a github issue, a blog that doesn't exist anymore, and another blog post. Overwhelming interest, overwhelming support! 😄

      thecatburgler@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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      @phl @jaffathecake @nachtfunke

      Ya know they say threes a crowd 😅

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      • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

        So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

        Mozilla: Opposed
        WebKit: Opposed
        Microsoft: Several concerns
        W3C TAG: Several concerns
        Developers: Mostly negative

        Chrome: Ships anyway.

        A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

        simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #21

        @jaffathecake

        Given the other shit that Google is shipping the moment, their browser won't be going onto any system that doesn't absolutely need it.

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        • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

          So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

          Mozilla: Opposed
          WebKit: Opposed
          Microsoft: Several concerns
          W3C TAG: Several concerns
          Developers: Mostly negative

          Chrome: Ships anyway.

          A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

          thecatburgler@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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          #22

          @jaffathecake

          Google is on the boycott list.
          They’re too big for anyone’s good & are tied in with the two governments that care more about big brother surveillance and holy wars than their people.

          I like ecosia (they plant trees for each search)
          Brave and Firefox are cool too

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          • nachtfunke@indieweb.socialN nachtfunke@indieweb.social

            @jaffathecake what are we as developers supposed to do here? We have literally no say in this whatsoever.

            It’s a genuine question, what are we supposed to? Because I subjectively feel like we could have done something maybe 10 years ago, but now…?

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            #23

            @nachtfunke @jaffathecake oh that's easy developers needed to keep using and supporting Firefox because open internet matters more than anything else.

            Sadly, majority of developers failed at that, just like they did with Internet Exploder.

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            • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

              So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

              Mozilla: Opposed
              WebKit: Opposed
              Microsoft: Several concerns
              W3C TAG: Several concerns
              Developers: Mostly negative

              Chrome: Ships anyway.

              A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

              yoasif@mastodon.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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              #24

              @jaffathecake Sounds kind of like how #Mozilla pushed ahead with #AI even after your lying polls about the provenance of training data in translations and the multitude of negative comments here and on Mozilla Connect.

              Pretty good blind spot for Mozilla - you can only tell when things are bad when your competitors do it.

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              • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                Mozilla: Opposed
                WebKit: Opposed
                Microsoft: Several concerns
                W3C TAG: Several concerns
                Developers: Mostly negative

                Chrome: Ships anyway.

                A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                #25

                @jaffathecake internet explorer from its grave.

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                • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                  @joshhunt if there is then they failed to show it. They posted a couple of links, including a survey about something else.

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                  @jaffathecake @joshhunt it's like the XSLT situation in reverse

                  Google: we want to drop XSLT support

                  web developers: we really want you to keep XSLT and possibly upgrade support for v3 of the standard so we can use it with JSON too

                  Google: OK, we've listened to everybody's opinion and nobody wants XSLT so we're dropping it.

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                  • oblomov@sociale.networkO oblomov@sociale.network

                    @jaffathecake @joshhunt it's like the XSLT situation in reverse

                    Google: we want to drop XSLT support

                    web developers: we really want you to keep XSLT and possibly upgrade support for v3 of the standard so we can use it with JSON too

                    Google: OK, we've listened to everybody's opinion and nobody wants XSLT so we're dropping it.

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                    #27

                    @jaffathecake @joshhunt

                    (and obviously Mozilla follows suit, because why are they there if not to suck up to the bully)

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                    • yoasif@mastodon.socialY yoasif@mastodon.social

                      @jaffathecake Sounds kind of like how #Mozilla pushed ahead with #AI even after your lying polls about the provenance of training data in translations and the multitude of negative comments here and on Mozilla Connect.

                      Pretty good blind spot for Mozilla - you can only tell when things are bad when your competitors do it.

                      Link Preview Image
                      Firefox’s AI Kill Switch is a Trap: How Mozilla Made AI Your Problem

                      TL;DR: Mozilla recently released AI controls for Firefox: a singlecontrol panel that lets people disable AI features in the browser or pick andchoose which t...

                      favicon

                      Youssuff Quips (www.quippd.com)

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                      @yoasif @jaffathecake If the word ends in an s-like phoneme, you're supposed to eschew the s after the apostrophe.

                      E.g. For Fox' sake! 😉

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                      • platymew@layer8.spaceP platymew@layer8.space

                        @yoasif @jaffathecake If the word ends in an s-like phoneme, you're supposed to eschew the s after the apostrophe.

                        E.g. For Fox' sake! 😉

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                        @platymew @jaffathecake MLA and Chicago Manual of Style agree with what I did, at least: https://grammarist.com/punctuation/apostrophe-after-s-rules-and-examples/

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                        • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                          So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                          Mozilla: Opposed
                          WebKit: Opposed
                          Microsoft: Several concerns
                          W3C TAG: Several concerns
                          Developers: Mostly negative

                          Chrome: Ships anyway.

                          A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

                          schouten_b@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #30

                          @jaffathecake There's a serious question to be asked about whether an engine shipping things which the broader standards community is opposed to can still be considered a standards compliant browser.

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                          • yoasif@mastodon.socialY yoasif@mastodon.social

                            @platymew @jaffathecake MLA and Chicago Manual of Style agree with what I did, at least: https://grammarist.com/punctuation/apostrophe-after-s-rules-and-examples/

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                            @yoasif @jaffathecake Ah, yes, the Bri'ish vs. 'murrican vs. Internet rules of englishing. 🖖😅👍

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                            • schouten_b@mastodon.socialS schouten_b@mastodon.social

                              @jaffathecake There's a serious question to be asked about whether an engine shipping things which the broader standards community is opposed to can still be considered a standards compliant browser.

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                              @Schouten_B @jaffathecake Hasn't that happened before? Who else supported PNaCl?

                              I think that is kind of an academic question too, unfortunately - most developers seem to care less about whether something is a standard, and more about whether their userbase can access the feature.

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                              • yoasif@mastodon.socialY yoasif@mastodon.social

                                @Schouten_B @jaffathecake Hasn't that happened before? Who else supported PNaCl?

                                I think that is kind of an academic question too, unfortunately - most developers seem to care less about whether something is a standard, and more about whether their userbase can access the feature.

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                                @yoasif @jaffathecake Sure, I think the PNaCl objections were of a different, less fundamental nature, but yeah, this is a question I've asked myself more often.

                                And sure, humans fundamentally look out for number 1 first. You're not wrong, but some do care about standards, I've been considering blocking Chrome on my own sites. Since they aren't commercial anyway and I don't care if people won't switch browsers in order to access them 🙂.

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