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Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 03 - 18 Feb - Ravières - Dijon - Culmont Chalindrey - Paris – Genève

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    Also how Dijon shows in @12train 🤬

    If TER Fluo (ie Grand Est) operates the train: Dijon Ville

    If TER Mobigo (ie Bourgogne Franche Comté) operates it: Dijon

    It’s the same station

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    @jon @12train get the same with Edinburgh where some systems say "Edinburgh", others "Edinburgh (Waverley)", and I'm sure I've seen "Edinburgh (City Centre)" all refer to the same station. In my quick look at some apps it looks like the city centre variant isn't showing any more, but not all include the Waverley.

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    • smsm1@mastodon.greenS smsm1@mastodon.green

      @jon @12train get the same with Edinburgh where some systems say "Edinburgh", others "Edinburgh (Waverley)", and I'm sure I've seen "Edinburgh (City Centre)" all refer to the same station. In my quick look at some apps it looks like the city centre variant isn't showing any more, but not all include the Waverley.

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      @jon @12train oh, the issue is with Djon is within the same app and journey plan results list. Ok that's a lot worse that the Edinburgh issue which is at least consistent within each app.

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      • smveerman@zug.networkS smveerman@zug.network

        @jon It's a data failure. The 8:19 from Dijon to Culmont-Chalindrey is not reservation required, other trains from Culmont-Chalindrey are for the section Nogent-sur-Seine - Paris.

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        @smveerman I will ask the train manager. I assume it’s because it’s a Coradia Liner and a train number in the series of Paris Est - Belfort. It’s not only an Interrail or Merits data problem.

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        • bastro@maly.ioB bastro@maly.io

          @jon I,m reading about this COMPULSORY RESERVATION. What is the idea behind this? Making more money or protecting something? I really don't understand this. Why not on all trains if it is important. Why this bullying off the travelers?

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          @bastro the railway would work better if fewer passengers took it.

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          • smveerman@zug.networkS smveerman@zug.network

            @jon It's a data failure. The 8:19 from Dijon to Culmont-Chalindrey is not reservation required, other trains from Culmont-Chalindrey are for the section Nogent-sur-Seine - Paris.

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            @jon See the schedule, that has a note only for trains from/to Paris that a reservation is needed: https://ter-fiches-horaires.sncf.fr/publish/C04_Mulhouse%20Dijon%20Troyes%20Paris-Est_HIVER_semaine_(01022026au28022026)V3.pdf

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            • smveerman@zug.networkS smveerman@zug.network

              @jon See the schedule, that has a note only for trains from/to Paris that a reservation is needed: https://ter-fiches-horaires.sncf.fr/publish/C04_Mulhouse%20Dijon%20Troyes%20Paris-Est_HIVER_semaine_(01022026au28022026)V3.pdf

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              @smveerman yes. But why if I book a ticket for it, is it asking me to choose a seat? Maybe I’m allowed to not do this, and I didn’t go through with the booking (obviously). At the very least it’s not well done.

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                @smveerman yes. But why if I book a ticket for it, is it asking me to choose a seat? Maybe I’m allowed to not do this, and I didn’t go through with the booking (obviously). At the very least it’s not well done.

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                @jon The combination of train number and having no way to make a train only part of the way reservation only are reasons I guess. It's also a solution to a non-existing problem.

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                • bastro@maly.ioB bastro@maly.io

                  @jon I,m reading about this COMPULSORY RESERVATION. What is the idea behind this? Making more money or protecting something? I really don't understand this. Why not on all trains if it is important. Why this bullying off the travelers?

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                  #26

                  @bastro
                  I think she basic idea is to have everybody bring able to sit down?

                  @jon

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                  • julienw@pouet.chapril.orgJ julienw@pouet.chapril.org

                    @bastro
                    I think she basic idea is to have everybody bring able to sit down?

                    @jon

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                    @julienw @bastro it’s a REGIONAL TRAIN. You might rather get to your destination and stand. Better that than not getting there at all!

                    Ah sorry. I forgot. Who’d RELY on a regional train in France?

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      @julienw @bastro it’s a REGIONAL TRAIN. You might rather get to your destination and stand. Better that than not getting there at all!

                      Ah sorry. I forgot. Who’d RELY on a regional train in France?

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                      #28

                      @jon
                      Yeah I know
                      @bastro

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        And discovering this sort of total ridiculous shit is why there’s no substitute for going to the places and testing the trains on #CrossBorderRail

                        You only *get this* once you’ve experienced it

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                        #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
                        TER 39593
                        08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
                        SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

                        Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
                        ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
                        🚲: ✅
                        🦽: ✅ (step free)
                        🛜: ⛔️
                        🍽️: ⛔️
                        🧳: 🙂
                        🧽: 🙂
                        Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
                          TER 39593
                          08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
                          SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

                          Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
                          ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
                          🚲: ✅
                          🦽: ✅ (step free)
                          🛜: ⛔️
                          🍽️: ⛔️
                          🧳: 🙂
                          🧽: 🙂
                          Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

                          Link Preview Image
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                          TER 39593
                          08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06

                          Distance: 76.5km
                          Average speed: 98km/h

                          2 stops:
                          Is-sur-Tille
                          Culmont-Chalindrey

                          This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#10/47.556140/5.234985

                          #CrossBorderRail

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 03 - 18 Feb - Ravières - Dijon - Culmont Chalindrey - Paris – Genève

                            New borders:
                            None

                            Borders already crossed:
                            Russin 🇨🇭 - Pougny-Chancy 🇫🇷

                            Today starts with a scenic detour en route to Paris – from Ravières via Dijon and Culmont Chalindrey onto the old main line through Troyes to Paris Est. Then an event at the Assemblée Nationale in Paris, and finally a TGV Lyria to Genève.

                            Today's routes on the routes map:
                            https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#8/47.519056/4.229736

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                            @jon I hate to be that guy, but it’s Pougny-Chancy.

                            Not to be confused with Pouilly, there was a station in Saint-Genis Pouilly on the former line from Collonges - Fort l'Écluse to Gex and then Nyon.

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              Also how Dijon shows in @12train 🤬

                              If TER Fluo (ie Grand Est) operates the train: Dijon Ville

                              If TER Mobigo (ie Bourgogne Franche Comté) operates it: Dijon

                              It’s the same station

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                              @jon @12train Aaalso.. why does SNCF use a different train number in their own channels than they report to international timetables? The leading 8 is only included in their own systems.

                              (It’s marked as compulsory reservation in Merits too)

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                              • thias@mastodon.socialT thias@mastodon.social

                                @jon I hate to be that guy, but it’s Pougny-Chancy.

                                Not to be confused with Pouilly, there was a station in Saint-Genis Pouilly on the former line from Collonges - Fort l'Écluse to Gex and then Nyon.

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                                @thias then it’s wrong in the European Commission’s list 😀 I’ll correct it.

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                                • stefanlindbohm@mastodon.socialS stefanlindbohm@mastodon.social

                                  @jon @12train Aaalso.. why does SNCF use a different train number in their own channels than they report to international timetables? The leading 8 is only included in their own systems.

                                  (It’s marked as compulsory reservation in Merits too)

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                                  @stefanlindbohm @12train that extra number depends on the Région I think? But it’s not consistently applied.

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
                                    TER 39593
                                    08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
                                    SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

                                    Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
                                    ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
                                    🚲: ✅
                                    🦽: ✅ (step free)
                                    🛜: ⛔️
                                    🍽️: ⛔️
                                    🧳: 🙂
                                    🧽: 🙂
                                    Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

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                                    @jon As with pretty much everything in France (not only trains!), it's only compulsory reservation if the train manager decides to enforce it, if they bother checking tickets at all that is

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                                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                      @thias then it’s wrong in the European Commission’s list 😀 I’ll correct it.

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                                      @jon https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_de_Pougny_-_Chancy?wprov=sfti1#Desserte

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        Also Dijon - Culmont-Chalindrey train times 🫣

                                        Basically un-useable

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                                        @jon what’s the difference between TER and TER ✨fluo✨?

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
                                          TER 39593
                                          08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
                                          SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

                                          Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
                                          ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
                                          🚲: ✅
                                          🦽: ✅ (step free)
                                          🛜: ⛔️
                                          🍽️: ⛔️
                                          🧳: 🙂
                                          🧽: 🙂
                                          Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

                                          Link Preview Image
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                                          @jon paying for seat reservations?!?!

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