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Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 03 - 18 Feb - Ravières - Dijon - Culmont Chalindrey - Paris – Genève

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  • bastro@maly.ioB bastro@maly.io

    @jon I,m reading about this COMPULSORY RESERVATION. What is the idea behind this? Making more money or protecting something? I really don't understand this. Why not on all trains if it is important. Why this bullying off the travelers?

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    @bastro
    I think she basic idea is to have everybody bring able to sit down?

    @jon

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    • julienw@pouet.chapril.orgJ julienw@pouet.chapril.org

      @bastro
      I think she basic idea is to have everybody bring able to sit down?

      @jon

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      @julienw @bastro it’s a REGIONAL TRAIN. You might rather get to your destination and stand. Better that than not getting there at all!

      Ah sorry. I forgot. Who’d RELY on a regional train in France?

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        @julienw @bastro it’s a REGIONAL TRAIN. You might rather get to your destination and stand. Better that than not getting there at all!

        Ah sorry. I forgot. Who’d RELY on a regional train in France?

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        @jon
        Yeah I know
        @bastro

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          And discovering this sort of total ridiculous shit is why there’s no substitute for going to the places and testing the trains on #CrossBorderRail

          You only *get this* once you’ve experienced it

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          #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
          TER 39593
          08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
          SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

          Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
          ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
          🚲: ✅
          🦽: ✅ (step free)
          🛜: ⛔️
          🍽️: ⛔️
          🧳: 🙂
          🧽: 🙂
          Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
            TER 39593
            08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
            SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

            Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
            ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
            🚲: ✅
            🦽: ✅ (step free)
            🛜: ⛔️
            🍽️: ⛔️
            🧳: 🙂
            🧽: 🙂
            Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

            Link Preview Image
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            #30

            TER 39593
            08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06

            Distance: 76.5km
            Average speed: 98km/h

            2 stops:
            Is-sur-Tille
            Culmont-Chalindrey

            This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#10/47.556140/5.234985

            #CrossBorderRail

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 03 - 18 Feb - Ravières - Dijon - Culmont Chalindrey - Paris – Genève

              New borders:
              None

              Borders already crossed:
              Russin 🇨🇭 - Pougny-Chancy 🇫🇷

              Today starts with a scenic detour en route to Paris – from Ravières via Dijon and Culmont Chalindrey onto the old main line through Troyes to Paris Est. Then an event at the Assemblée Nationale in Paris, and finally a TGV Lyria to Genève.

              Today's routes on the routes map:
              https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#8/47.519056/4.229736

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              @jon I hate to be that guy, but it’s Pougny-Chancy.

              Not to be confused with Pouilly, there was a station in Saint-Genis Pouilly on the former line from Collonges - Fort l'Écluse to Gex and then Nyon.

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                Also how Dijon shows in @12train 🤬

                If TER Fluo (ie Grand Est) operates the train: Dijon Ville

                If TER Mobigo (ie Bourgogne Franche Comté) operates it: Dijon

                It’s the same station

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                @jon @12train Aaalso.. why does SNCF use a different train number in their own channels than they report to international timetables? The leading 8 is only included in their own systems.

                (It’s marked as compulsory reservation in Merits too)

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                • thias@mastodon.socialT thias@mastodon.social

                  @jon I hate to be that guy, but it’s Pougny-Chancy.

                  Not to be confused with Pouilly, there was a station in Saint-Genis Pouilly on the former line from Collonges - Fort l'Écluse to Gex and then Nyon.

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                  @thias then it’s wrong in the European Commission’s list 😀 I’ll correct it.

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                  • stefanlindbohm@mastodon.socialS stefanlindbohm@mastodon.social

                    @jon @12train Aaalso.. why does SNCF use a different train number in their own channels than they report to international timetables? The leading 8 is only included in their own systems.

                    (It’s marked as compulsory reservation in Merits too)

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                    @stefanlindbohm @12train that extra number depends on the Région I think? But it’s not consistently applied.

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
                      TER 39593
                      08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
                      SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

                      Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
                      ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
                      🚲: ✅
                      🦽: ✅ (step free)
                      🛜: ⛔️
                      🍽️: ⛔️
                      🧳: 🙂
                      🧽: 🙂
                      Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

                      Link Preview Image
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                      @jon As with pretty much everything in France (not only trains!), it's only compulsory reservation if the train manager decides to enforce it, if they bother checking tickets at all that is

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        @thias then it’s wrong in the European Commission’s list 😀 I’ll correct it.

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                        @jon https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_de_Pougny_-_Chancy?wprov=sfti1#Desserte

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          Also Dijon - Culmont-Chalindrey train times 🫣

                          Basically un-useable

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                          @jon what’s the difference between TER and TER ✨fluo✨?

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
                            TER 39593
                            08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
                            SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

                            Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
                            ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
                            🚲: ✅
                            🦽: ✅ (step free)
                            🛜: ⛔️
                            🍽️: ⛔️
                            🧳: 🙂
                            🧽: 🙂
                            Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

                            Link Preview Image
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                            @jon paying for seat reservations?!?!

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                            • stefanlindbohm@mastodon.socialS stefanlindbohm@mastodon.social

                              @jon @12train Aaalso.. why does SNCF use a different train number in their own channels than they report to international timetables? The leading 8 is only included in their own systems.

                              (It’s marked as compulsory reservation in Merits too)

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                              @stefanlindbohm @jon @12train Can Merits even do six digit train numbers?

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                              • thias@mastodon.socialT thias@mastodon.social

                                @jon https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_de_Pougny_-_Chancy?wprov=sfti1#Desserte

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                                @thias oh I don’t doubt you. Just my source was wrong.

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                                • deadliftbear@mas.toD deadliftbear@mas.to

                                  @jon what’s the difference between TER and TER ✨fluo✨?

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                                  @deadliftbear Fluo is what it’s called in Grand Est. Obviously! 😀

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    @stefanlindbohm @12train that extra number depends on the Région I think? But it’s not consistently applied.

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                                    @jon @12train Is it related to operations maybe? Like which operations centre it runs under..? It’s a crazy pattern so now I’d be curious to now 😄

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                                    • partim@social.tchncs.deP partim@social.tchncs.de

                                      @stefanlindbohm @jon @12train Can Merits even do six digit train numbers?

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                                      @partim Yep, it exists. Lokaltog in DK was the first example that popped up.

                                      @jon @12train

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                                      • stefanlindbohm@mastodon.socialS stefanlindbohm@mastodon.social

                                        @jon @12train Is it related to operations maybe? Like which operations centre it runs under..? It’s a crazy pattern so now I’d be curious to now 😄

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                                        @stefanlindbohm @12train in Bourgogne it’s weird. They add the 8 only to the very slowest trains (ones that don’t serve Paris)

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          TER 39593
                                          08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06

                                          Distance: 76.5km
                                          Average speed: 98km/h

                                          2 stops:
                                          Is-sur-Tille
                                          Culmont-Chalindrey

                                          This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#10/47.556140/5.234985

                                          #CrossBorderRail

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                                          So I asked at Culmont Chalindrey

                                          Station staff told me Dijon - Culmont Chalindrey ISN’T compulsory reservation

                                          But anything along the line Belfort - Culmont Chalindrey - Troyes - Paris IS (whereas I thought it was only from Nogent sur Seine - Paris)

                                          🤷‍♂️

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