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Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 03 - 18 Feb - Ravières - Dijon - Culmont Chalindrey - Paris – Genève

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    @smveerman yes. But why if I book a ticket for it, is it asking me to choose a seat? Maybe I’m allowed to not do this, and I didn’t go through with the booking (obviously). At the very least it’s not well done.

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    @jon The combination of train number and having no way to make a train only part of the way reservation only are reasons I guess. It's also a solution to a non-existing problem.

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    • bastro@maly.ioB bastro@maly.io

      @jon I,m reading about this COMPULSORY RESERVATION. What is the idea behind this? Making more money or protecting something? I really don't understand this. Why not on all trains if it is important. Why this bullying off the travelers?

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      @bastro
      I think she basic idea is to have everybody bring able to sit down?

      @jon

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      • julienw@pouet.chapril.orgJ julienw@pouet.chapril.org

        @bastro
        I think she basic idea is to have everybody bring able to sit down?

        @jon

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        @julienw @bastro it’s a REGIONAL TRAIN. You might rather get to your destination and stand. Better that than not getting there at all!

        Ah sorry. I forgot. Who’d RELY on a regional train in France?

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          @julienw @bastro it’s a REGIONAL TRAIN. You might rather get to your destination and stand. Better that than not getting there at all!

          Ah sorry. I forgot. Who’d RELY on a regional train in France?

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          @jon
          Yeah I know
          @bastro

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            And discovering this sort of total ridiculous shit is why there’s no substitute for going to the places and testing the trains on #CrossBorderRail

            You only *get this* once you’ve experienced it

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            #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
            TER 39593
            08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
            SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

            Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
            ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
            🚲: ✅
            🦽: ✅ (step free)
            🛜: ⛔️
            🍽️: ⛔️
            🧳: 🙂
            🧽: 🙂
            Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
              TER 39593
              08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
              SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

              Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
              ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
              🚲: ✅
              🦽: ✅ (step free)
              🛜: ⛔️
              🍽️: ⛔️
              🧳: 🙂
              🧽: 🙂
              Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

              Link Preview Image
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              #30

              TER 39593
              08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06

              Distance: 76.5km
              Average speed: 98km/h

              2 stops:
              Is-sur-Tille
              Culmont-Chalindrey

              This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#10/47.556140/5.234985

              #CrossBorderRail

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 03 - 18 Feb - Ravières - Dijon - Culmont Chalindrey - Paris – Genève

                New borders:
                None

                Borders already crossed:
                Russin 🇨🇭 - Pougny-Chancy 🇫🇷

                Today starts with a scenic detour en route to Paris – from Ravières via Dijon and Culmont Chalindrey onto the old main line through Troyes to Paris Est. Then an event at the Assemblée Nationale in Paris, and finally a TGV Lyria to Genève.

                Today's routes on the routes map:
                https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#8/47.519056/4.229736

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                @jon I hate to be that guy, but it’s Pougny-Chancy.

                Not to be confused with Pouilly, there was a station in Saint-Genis Pouilly on the former line from Collonges - Fort l'Écluse to Gex and then Nyon.

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  Also how Dijon shows in @12train 🤬

                  If TER Fluo (ie Grand Est) operates the train: Dijon Ville

                  If TER Mobigo (ie Bourgogne Franche Comté) operates it: Dijon

                  It’s the same station

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                  @jon @12train Aaalso.. why does SNCF use a different train number in their own channels than they report to international timetables? The leading 8 is only included in their own systems.

                  (It’s marked as compulsory reservation in Merits too)

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                  • thias@mastodon.socialT thias@mastodon.social

                    @jon I hate to be that guy, but it’s Pougny-Chancy.

                    Not to be confused with Pouilly, there was a station in Saint-Genis Pouilly on the former line from Collonges - Fort l'Écluse to Gex and then Nyon.

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                    @thias then it’s wrong in the European Commission’s list 😀 I’ll correct it.

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                    • stefanlindbohm@mastodon.socialS stefanlindbohm@mastodon.social

                      @jon @12train Aaalso.. why does SNCF use a different train number in their own channels than they report to international timetables? The leading 8 is only included in their own systems.

                      (It’s marked as compulsory reservation in Merits too)

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                      @stefanlindbohm @12train that extra number depends on the Région I think? But it’s not consistently applied.

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
                        TER 39593
                        08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
                        SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

                        Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
                        ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
                        🚲: ✅
                        🦽: ✅ (step free)
                        🛜: ⛔️
                        🍽️: ⛔️
                        🧳: 🙂
                        🧽: 🙂
                        Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

                        Link Preview Image
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                        @jon As with pretty much everything in France (not only trains!), it's only compulsory reservation if the train manager decides to enforce it, if they bother checking tickets at all that is

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          @thias then it’s wrong in the European Commission’s list 😀 I’ll correct it.

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                          @jon https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_de_Pougny_-_Chancy?wprov=sfti1#Desserte

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            Also Dijon - Culmont-Chalindrey train times 🫣

                            Basically un-useable

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                            @jon what’s the difference between TER and TER ✨fluo✨?

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
                              TER 39593
                              08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
                              SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

                              Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
                              ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
                              🚲: ✅
                              🦽: ✅ (step free)
                              🛜: ⛔️
                              🍽️: ⛔️
                              🧳: 🙂
                              🧽: 🙂
                              Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

                              Link Preview Image
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                              @jon paying for seat reservations?!?!

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                              • stefanlindbohm@mastodon.socialS stefanlindbohm@mastodon.social

                                @jon @12train Aaalso.. why does SNCF use a different train number in their own channels than they report to international timetables? The leading 8 is only included in their own systems.

                                (It’s marked as compulsory reservation in Merits too)

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                                @stefanlindbohm @jon @12train Can Merits even do six digit train numbers?

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                                • thias@mastodon.socialT thias@mastodon.social

                                  @jon https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_de_Pougny_-_Chancy?wprov=sfti1#Desserte

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                                  @thias oh I don’t doubt you. Just my source was wrong.

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                                  • deadliftbear@mas.toD deadliftbear@mas.to

                                    @jon what’s the difference between TER and TER ✨fluo✨?

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                                    @deadliftbear Fluo is what it’s called in Grand Est. Obviously! 😀

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                                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                      @stefanlindbohm @12train that extra number depends on the Région I think? But it’s not consistently applied.

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                                      @jon @12train Is it related to operations maybe? Like which operations centre it runs under..? It’s a crazy pattern so now I’d be curious to now 😄

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                                      • partim@social.tchncs.deP partim@social.tchncs.de

                                        @stefanlindbohm @jon @12train Can Merits even do six digit train numbers?

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                                        @partim Yep, it exists. Lokaltog in DK was the first example that popped up.

                                        @jon @12train

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                                        • stefanlindbohm@mastodon.socialS stefanlindbohm@mastodon.social

                                          @jon @12train Is it related to operations maybe? Like which operations centre it runs under..? It’s a crazy pattern so now I’d be curious to now 😄

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                                          @stefanlindbohm @12train in Bourgogne it’s weird. They add the 8 only to the very slowest trains (ones that don’t serve Paris)

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