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  3. Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

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  • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
    octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
    octothorpe@mastodon.online
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    @weyoun6 yeah, their methodologies can be roughly described as ‘numberwang’.

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    • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

      Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

      February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
      May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

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      Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

      Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

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      mimblewimble@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
      mimblewimble@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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      #16

      @octothorpe hahahaha.... Wait, they're serious?! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

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      • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

        Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

        February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
        May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

        Link Preview Image
        Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

        Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

        favicon

        Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

        nickrauchen@c.imN This user is from outside of this forum
        nickrauchen@c.imN This user is from outside of this forum
        nickrauchen@c.im
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        #17

        @octothorpe

        A #WTF moment!

        We'll have simulated voters next! 👎

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        • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

          Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

          February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
          May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

          Link Preview Image
          Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

          Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

          favicon

          Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

          nerde@beige.partyN This user is from outside of this forum
          nerde@beige.partyN This user is from outside of this forum
          nerde@beige.party
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          #18

          @octothorpe
          Why not just go completely fraudulent and have the ratings based on how much the politicians are willing to pay? 🤷

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          • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

            Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

            February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
            May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

            Link Preview Image
            Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

            Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

            favicon

            Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

            mildpeach@mstdn.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #19

            @octothorpe @JonChevreau This is bad. No matter what we think of AI slop, actual human driven chaos is worse. That is why there is not modeling it…

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            • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

              Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

              February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
              May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

              Link Preview Image
              Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

              Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

              favicon

              Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

              oliver_schafeld@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
              oliver_schafeld@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
              oliver_schafeld@mastodon.online
              wrote last edited by
              #20

              "Due to cost reasons" has gotta be a forward-looking statement translating as "we're afraid to be sued or regulated out of business by you-know-who" if we publish polls about you-know-who.

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              • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                @gbargoud outlook not so good!

                mast0d0nphan@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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                #21

                @octothorpe @gbargoud Isn't that what one of the pilots on the recent moon mission said?

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                • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                  Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                  February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                  May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                  Link Preview Image
                  Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                  Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                  favicon

                  Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

                  d_rift@beige.partyD This user is from outside of this forum
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                  d_rift@beige.party
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                  @octothorpe I expected a venerable polling company at least, unlike the rest of the modern world, to understand the fundamental implications of basic statistical sampling methods on data validity. Alas.

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                  • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                    Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                    February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                    May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                    Link Preview Image
                    Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                    Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                    favicon

                    Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

                    stekopf@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #23

                    @octothorpe

                    »Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers«

                    What #Gallup says instead:
                    »Simulated responses will not be used to produce Gallup’s published population estimates, and they will not replace direct measurement of people in our tracking research. […] We will always be transparent about our use of simulated responses and will never present them as human responses.«
                    From the linked text.

                    The critical point is…

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                      @octothorpe

                      »Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers«

                      What #Gallup says instead:
                      »Simulated responses will not be used to produce Gallup’s published population estimates, and they will not replace direct measurement of people in our tracking research. […] We will always be transparent about our use of simulated responses and will never present them as human responses.«
                      From the linked text.

                      The critical point is…

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                      stekopf@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      stekopf@mstdn.social
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                      #24

                      …that they plan to filter research:
                      »Simulated approaches may also expand what is practically researchable, enabling organizations to explore attitudinal questions at a scale or speed that would otherwise be prohibitive, to model responses among hard-to-reach populations, or to test how different groups might react to novel stimuli before investing in full-scale data collection. In short, agent banks may help researchers and practitioners anticipate likely outcomes and support decision-making.«

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                      • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                        Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                        February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                        May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                        Link Preview Image
                        Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                        Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                        favicon

                        Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

                        ariaflame@masto.aiA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        ariaflame@masto.ai
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                        #25

                        @octothorpe 🤦‍♀️

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                        • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
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                          octothorpe@mastodon.online
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                          @noodlemaz thanks!

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                          • d_rift@beige.partyD d_rift@beige.party

                            @octothorpe I expected a venerable polling company at least, unlike the rest of the modern world, to understand the fundamental implications of basic statistical sampling methods on data validity. Alas.

                            octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @d_rift they have a lot of name recognition but often their methodologies are questionable, allowing the sponsor of the study to kinda numberwang the results they want to promote.

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                            • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                              @d_rift they have a lot of name recognition but often their methodologies are questionable, allowing the sponsor of the study to kinda numberwang the results they want to promote.

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                              @octothorpe still; thanks for the heads-up on them moving from numberwang to "no number, all wang" territory.

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