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Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

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  • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

    @octothorpe

    A bunch of magic 8 balls would be even cheaper

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    @gbargoud outlook not so good!

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    • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

      @gbargoud outlook not so good!

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      @octothorpe

      I guess the downside to magic 8 balls is that the answers would actually be random and you can't really seed them to say what you want them to like you can with AI agents

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      • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

        @octothorpe

        I guess the downside to magic 8 balls is that the answers would actually be random and you can't really seed them to say what you want them to like you can with AI agents

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        @gbargoud I mean, you keep shaking until you get the result you want. Not unlike Gallup’s existing methodology, really.

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        • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

          Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

          February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
          May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

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          Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

          Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

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          Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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          @octothorpe jumping Jackrabbits, that sounds stupid.

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          • seismoallegra@mastodon.socialS seismoallegra@mastodon.social

            @octothorpe jumping Jackrabbits, that sounds stupid.

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            @SeismoAllegra yep!

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              @weyoun6 yeah, their methodologies can be roughly described as ‘numberwang’.

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              • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                Link Preview Image
                Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                favicon

                Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                @octothorpe hahahaha.... Wait, they're serious?! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

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                • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                  Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                  February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                  May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                  Link Preview Image
                  Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                  Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                  favicon

                  Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                  @octothorpe

                  A #WTF moment!

                  We'll have simulated voters next! 👎

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                  • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                    Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                    February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                    May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                    Link Preview Image
                    Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                    Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                    favicon

                    Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                    #18

                    @octothorpe
                    Why not just go completely fraudulent and have the ratings based on how much the politicians are willing to pay? 🤷

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                    • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                      Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                      February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                      May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                      Link Preview Image
                      Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                      Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                      favicon

                      Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                      @octothorpe @JonChevreau This is bad. No matter what we think of AI slop, actual human driven chaos is worse. That is why there is not modeling it…

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                      • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                        Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                        February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                        May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                        Link Preview Image
                        Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                        Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                        favicon

                        Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                        #20

                        "Due to cost reasons" has gotta be a forward-looking statement translating as "we're afraid to be sued or regulated out of business by you-know-who" if we publish polls about you-know-who.

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                        • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                          @gbargoud outlook not so good!

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                          @octothorpe @gbargoud Isn't that what one of the pilots on the recent moon mission said?

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                          • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                            Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                            February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                            May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                            Link Preview Image
                            Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                            Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                            favicon

                            Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                            @octothorpe I expected a venerable polling company at least, unlike the rest of the modern world, to understand the fundamental implications of basic statistical sampling methods on data validity. Alas.

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                            • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                              Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                              February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                              May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                              Link Preview Image
                              Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                              Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                              favicon

                              Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                              @octothorpe

                              »Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers«

                              What #Gallup says instead:
                              »Simulated responses will not be used to produce Gallup’s published population estimates, and they will not replace direct measurement of people in our tracking research. […] We will always be transparent about our use of simulated responses and will never present them as human responses.«
                              From the linked text.

                              The critical point is…

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                              • stekopf@mstdn.socialS stekopf@mstdn.social

                                @octothorpe

                                »Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers«

                                What #Gallup says instead:
                                »Simulated responses will not be used to produce Gallup’s published population estimates, and they will not replace direct measurement of people in our tracking research. […] We will always be transparent about our use of simulated responses and will never present them as human responses.«
                                From the linked text.

                                The critical point is…

                                1/2

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                                …that they plan to filter research:
                                »Simulated approaches may also expand what is practically researchable, enabling organizations to explore attitudinal questions at a scale or speed that would otherwise be prohibitive, to model responses among hard-to-reach populations, or to test how different groups might react to novel stimuli before investing in full-scale data collection. In short, agent banks may help researchers and practitioners anticipate likely outcomes and support decision-making.«

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                                • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                                  Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                                  February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                                  May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                                  Link Preview Image
                                  Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                                  Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                                  favicon

                                  Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                                  @octothorpe 🤦‍♀️

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                                    @noodlemaz thanks!

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                                    • d_rift@beige.partyD d_rift@beige.party

                                      @octothorpe I expected a venerable polling company at least, unlike the rest of the modern world, to understand the fundamental implications of basic statistical sampling methods on data validity. Alas.

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                                      @d_rift they have a lot of name recognition but often their methodologies are questionable, allowing the sponsor of the study to kinda numberwang the results they want to promote.

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                                      • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                                        @d_rift they have a lot of name recognition but often their methodologies are questionable, allowing the sponsor of the study to kinda numberwang the results they want to promote.

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                                        @octothorpe still; thanks for the heads-up on them moving from numberwang to "no number, all wang" territory.

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