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Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

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  • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

    Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

    February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
    May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

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    Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

    Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

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    nerde@beige.partyN This user is from outside of this forum
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    @octothorpe
    Why not just go completely fraudulent and have the ratings based on how much the politicians are willing to pay? 🤷

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    • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

      Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

      February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
      May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

      Link Preview Image
      Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

      Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

      favicon

      Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

      mildpeach@mstdn.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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      #19

      @octothorpe @JonChevreau This is bad. No matter what we think of AI slop, actual human driven chaos is worse. That is why there is not modeling it…

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      • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

        Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

        February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
        May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

        Link Preview Image
        Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

        Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

        favicon

        Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

        oliver_schafeld@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
        oliver_schafeld@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
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        #20

        "Due to cost reasons" has gotta be a forward-looking statement translating as "we're afraid to be sued or regulated out of business by you-know-who" if we publish polls about you-know-who.

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        • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

          @gbargoud outlook not so good!

          mast0d0nphan@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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          #21

          @octothorpe @gbargoud Isn't that what one of the pilots on the recent moon mission said?

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          • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

            Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

            February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
            May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

            Link Preview Image
            Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

            Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

            favicon

            Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

            d_rift@beige.partyD This user is from outside of this forum
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            @octothorpe I expected a venerable polling company at least, unlike the rest of the modern world, to understand the fundamental implications of basic statistical sampling methods on data validity. Alas.

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            • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

              Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

              February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
              May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

              Link Preview Image
              Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

              Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

              favicon

              Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

              stekopf@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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              @octothorpe

              »Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers«

              What #Gallup says instead:
              »Simulated responses will not be used to produce Gallup’s published population estimates, and they will not replace direct measurement of people in our tracking research. […] We will always be transparent about our use of simulated responses and will never present them as human responses.«
              From the linked text.

              The critical point is…

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                @octothorpe

                »Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers«

                What #Gallup says instead:
                »Simulated responses will not be used to produce Gallup’s published population estimates, and they will not replace direct measurement of people in our tracking research. […] We will always be transparent about our use of simulated responses and will never present them as human responses.«
                From the linked text.

                The critical point is…

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                …that they plan to filter research:
                »Simulated approaches may also expand what is practically researchable, enabling organizations to explore attitudinal questions at a scale or speed that would otherwise be prohibitive, to model responses among hard-to-reach populations, or to test how different groups might react to novel stimuli before investing in full-scale data collection. In short, agent banks may help researchers and practitioners anticipate likely outcomes and support decision-making.«

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                • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                  Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                  February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                  May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                  Link Preview Image
                  Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                  Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                  favicon

                  Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

                  ariaflame@masto.aiA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #25

                  @octothorpe 🤦‍♀️

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                    #26

                    @noodlemaz thanks!

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                    • d_rift@beige.partyD d_rift@beige.party

                      @octothorpe I expected a venerable polling company at least, unlike the rest of the modern world, to understand the fundamental implications of basic statistical sampling methods on data validity. Alas.

                      octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #27

                      @d_rift they have a lot of name recognition but often their methodologies are questionable, allowing the sponsor of the study to kinda numberwang the results they want to promote.

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                      • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                        @d_rift they have a lot of name recognition but often their methodologies are questionable, allowing the sponsor of the study to kinda numberwang the results they want to promote.

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                        #28

                        @octothorpe still; thanks for the heads-up on them moving from numberwang to "no number, all wang" territory.

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