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  3. Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

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  • seismoallegra@mastodon.socialS seismoallegra@mastodon.social

    @octothorpe jumping Jackrabbits, that sounds stupid.

    octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
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    @SeismoAllegra yep!

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      @weyoun6 yeah, their methodologies can be roughly described as ‘numberwang’.

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      • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

        Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

        February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
        May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

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        Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

        Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

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        Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

        mimblewimble@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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        @octothorpe hahahaha.... Wait, they're serious?! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

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        • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

          Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

          February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
          May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

          Link Preview Image
          Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

          Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

          favicon

          Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

          nickrauchen@c.imN This user is from outside of this forum
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          #17

          @octothorpe

          A #WTF moment!

          We'll have simulated voters next! 👎

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          • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

            Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

            February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
            May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

            Link Preview Image
            Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

            Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

            favicon

            Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

            nerde@beige.partyN This user is from outside of this forum
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            @octothorpe
            Why not just go completely fraudulent and have the ratings based on how much the politicians are willing to pay? 🤷

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            • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

              Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

              February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
              May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

              Link Preview Image
              Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

              Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

              favicon

              Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

              mildpeach@mstdn.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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              @octothorpe @JonChevreau This is bad. No matter what we think of AI slop, actual human driven chaos is worse. That is why there is not modeling it…

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              • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                Link Preview Image
                Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                favicon

                Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

                oliver_schafeld@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
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                #20

                "Due to cost reasons" has gotta be a forward-looking statement translating as "we're afraid to be sued or regulated out of business by you-know-who" if we publish polls about you-know-who.

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                • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                  @gbargoud outlook not so good!

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                  #21

                  @octothorpe @gbargoud Isn't that what one of the pilots on the recent moon mission said?

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                  • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                    Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                    February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                    May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                    Link Preview Image
                    Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                    Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                    favicon

                    Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

                    d_rift@beige.partyD This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @octothorpe I expected a venerable polling company at least, unlike the rest of the modern world, to understand the fundamental implications of basic statistical sampling methods on data validity. Alas.

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                    • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                      Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                      February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                      May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                      Link Preview Image
                      Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                      Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                      favicon

                      Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

                      stekopf@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #23

                      @octothorpe

                      »Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers«

                      What #Gallup says instead:
                      »Simulated responses will not be used to produce Gallup’s published population estimates, and they will not replace direct measurement of people in our tracking research. […] We will always be transparent about our use of simulated responses and will never present them as human responses.«
                      From the linked text.

                      The critical point is…

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                      • stekopf@mstdn.socialS stekopf@mstdn.social

                        @octothorpe

                        »Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers«

                        What #Gallup says instead:
                        »Simulated responses will not be used to produce Gallup’s published population estimates, and they will not replace direct measurement of people in our tracking research. […] We will always be transparent about our use of simulated responses and will never present them as human responses.«
                        From the linked text.

                        The critical point is…

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                        …that they plan to filter research:
                        »Simulated approaches may also expand what is practically researchable, enabling organizations to explore attitudinal questions at a scale or speed that would otherwise be prohibitive, to model responses among hard-to-reach populations, or to test how different groups might react to novel stimuli before investing in full-scale data collection. In short, agent banks may help researchers and practitioners anticipate likely outcomes and support decision-making.«

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                        • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                          Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                          February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                          May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                          Link Preview Image
                          Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                          Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                          favicon

                          Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

                          ariaflame@masto.aiA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @octothorpe 🤦‍♀️

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                            @noodlemaz thanks!

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                            • d_rift@beige.partyD d_rift@beige.party

                              @octothorpe I expected a venerable polling company at least, unlike the rest of the modern world, to understand the fundamental implications of basic statistical sampling methods on data validity. Alas.

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                              @d_rift they have a lot of name recognition but often their methodologies are questionable, allowing the sponsor of the study to kinda numberwang the results they want to promote.

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                              • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                                @d_rift they have a lot of name recognition but often their methodologies are questionable, allowing the sponsor of the study to kinda numberwang the results they want to promote.

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                                @octothorpe still; thanks for the heads-up on them moving from numberwang to "no number, all wang" territory.

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