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Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

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  • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

    @CStamp Their data was always a bit questionable, but popular (ahem). Now they’re exploring ‘what if we just totally made shit up?’

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    @octothorpe I knew there was a reason to not trust polls. 😉

    Honestly, their only benefit is when used to study markets to figure out how to tweak marketing or services.

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    • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

      Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

      February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
      May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

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      Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

      Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

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      Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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      @octothorpe

      A bunch of magic 8 balls would be even cheaper

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      • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

        @octothorpe

        A bunch of magic 8 balls would be even cheaper

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        @gbargoud outlook not so good!

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        • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

          @gbargoud outlook not so good!

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          #11

          @octothorpe

          I guess the downside to magic 8 balls is that the answers would actually be random and you can't really seed them to say what you want them to like you can with AI agents

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          • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

            @octothorpe

            I guess the downside to magic 8 balls is that the answers would actually be random and you can't really seed them to say what you want them to like you can with AI agents

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            @gbargoud I mean, you keep shaking until you get the result you want. Not unlike Gallup’s existing methodology, really.

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            • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

              Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

              February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
              May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

              Link Preview Image
              Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

              Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

              favicon

              Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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              #13

              @octothorpe jumping Jackrabbits, that sounds stupid.

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              • seismoallegra@mastodon.socialS seismoallegra@mastodon.social

                @octothorpe jumping Jackrabbits, that sounds stupid.

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                @SeismoAllegra yep!

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                • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @weyoun6 yeah, their methodologies can be roughly described as ‘numberwang’.

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                  • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                    Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                    February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                    May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                    Link Preview Image
                    Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                    Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                    favicon

                    Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                    @octothorpe hahahaha.... Wait, they're serious?! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

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                    • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                      Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                      February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                      May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                      Link Preview Image
                      Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                      Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                      favicon

                      Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                      @octothorpe

                      A #WTF moment!

                      We'll have simulated voters next! 👎

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                      • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                        Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                        February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                        May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                        Link Preview Image
                        Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                        Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                        favicon

                        Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                        #18

                        @octothorpe
                        Why not just go completely fraudulent and have the ratings based on how much the politicians are willing to pay? 🤷

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                        • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                          Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                          February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                          May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                          Link Preview Image
                          Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                          Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                          favicon

                          Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                          @octothorpe @JonChevreau This is bad. No matter what we think of AI slop, actual human driven chaos is worse. That is why there is not modeling it…

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                          • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                            Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                            February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                            May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                            Link Preview Image
                            Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                            Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                            favicon

                            Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                            "Due to cost reasons" has gotta be a forward-looking statement translating as "we're afraid to be sued or regulated out of business by you-know-who" if we publish polls about you-know-who.

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                            • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                              @gbargoud outlook not so good!

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                              @octothorpe @gbargoud Isn't that what one of the pilots on the recent moon mission said?

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                              • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                                Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                                February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                                May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                                Link Preview Image
                                Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                                Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                                favicon

                                Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                                @octothorpe I expected a venerable polling company at least, unlike the rest of the modern world, to understand the fundamental implications of basic statistical sampling methods on data validity. Alas.

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                                • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                                  Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                                  February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                                  May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                                  Link Preview Image
                                  Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                                  Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                                  favicon

                                  Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                                  @octothorpe

                                  »Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers«

                                  What #Gallup says instead:
                                  »Simulated responses will not be used to produce Gallup’s published population estimates, and they will not replace direct measurement of people in our tracking research. […] We will always be transparent about our use of simulated responses and will never present them as human responses.«
                                  From the linked text.

                                  The critical point is…

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                                  • stekopf@mstdn.socialS stekopf@mstdn.social

                                    @octothorpe

                                    »Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers«

                                    What #Gallup says instead:
                                    »Simulated responses will not be used to produce Gallup’s published population estimates, and they will not replace direct measurement of people in our tracking research. […] We will always be transparent about our use of simulated responses and will never present them as human responses.«
                                    From the linked text.

                                    The critical point is…

                                    1/2

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                                    …that they plan to filter research:
                                    »Simulated approaches may also expand what is practically researchable, enabling organizations to explore attitudinal questions at a scale or speed that would otherwise be prohibitive, to model responses among hard-to-reach populations, or to test how different groups might react to novel stimuli before investing in full-scale data collection. In short, agent banks may help researchers and practitioners anticipate likely outcomes and support decision-making.«

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                                    • octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO octothorpe@mastodon.online

                                      Welp, Gallup is no longer a source of viable anything, let along survey data:

                                      February: Gallup says that due to cost reasons it will no longer do presidential approval polling
                                      May: Gallup says it is exploring "digital twin" technology that replaces human respondents with AI/LLM-generated answers

                                      Link Preview Image
                                      Gallup Begins Research on Simulated Responses

                                      Gallup is exploring whether AI-generated agents perform well in predicting people's responses and where they fall short.

                                      favicon

                                      Gallup.com (news.gallup.com)

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                                      @octothorpe 🤦‍♀️

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                                        @noodlemaz thanks!

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                                        • d_rift@beige.partyD d_rift@beige.party

                                          @octothorpe I expected a venerable polling company at least, unlike the rest of the modern world, to understand the fundamental implications of basic statistical sampling methods on data validity. Alas.

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                                          @d_rift they have a lot of name recognition but often their methodologies are questionable, allowing the sponsor of the study to kinda numberwang the results they want to promote.

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