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  • joedolson@toot.ioJ joedolson@toot.io

    @aardrian ..."mathematically compliant HTML"? WTF is that...

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    @joedolson Well, it’s just, like… numbers and, sums of elements and… like… how it all adds up to, um, compliance.

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    • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

      @joedolson Well, it’s just, like… numbers and, sums of elements and… like… how it all adds up to, um, compliance.

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      @aardrian Thank you for the sincere and thorough explanation... 😀

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      • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

        [2/5]

        When I visited the ‘remediated’ version of the firewall product in two browsers, I got a different number of auto-fixed items.

        Maybe you’ll get a different count?
        https://vpatcode-worker.webcraft-stephanie-fenton.workers.dev/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Faccessibilityfirewall.com%2F

        Pointing a tool at the vendor’s site is often a good test.

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        @aardrian I got 5 auto-fixes in the in app browser of Ivory and 3 in Safari directly, which is odd considering the in app browser is just a webview with the safari engine.

        Seems a bit… random?

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        • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

          [1/5]

          I heard about https://AccessibilityFirewall.com/, promising “No code changes. No overlay. No JavaScript.” It uses “edge” in the same way the Overlay Community Group does.

          Red flag emoji.

          So I ran it through its own “Live Remediation Engine”:
          https://webcraft.inc/#audit-section

          Hmmm…

          #accessibility #a11y

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          @aardrian I've tried with ryanair.com, it's funny because it says "95 %" and the "fixed" version is a completely blank page. Great fix! 👏🏼😂

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          • stephanie@mastodon.socialS stephanie@mastodon.social

            @aardrian I got 5 auto-fixes in the in app browser of Ivory and 3 in Safari directly, which is odd considering the in app browser is just a webview with the safari engine.

            Seems a bit… random?

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            @Stephanie Yep, feels random and from an arbitrary and opaque set of rules.

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            • tinitun@mstdn.socialT tinitun@mstdn.social

              @aardrian I've tried with ryanair.com, it's funny because it says "95 %" and the "fixed" version is a completely blank page. Great fix! 👏🏼😂

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              @tinitun Having flown Ryanair, that seems to fit.

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              • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                [9/5]

                Tired: #overlay companies lying about using ‘AI’ for WCAG remediation (accessiBe’s FTC fine, my UserWay tests, etc.).

                Wired: ‘AI’ companies lying about not being overlays (sans opt-out).

                No accessibility knowledge needed to evaluate these. Basic HTML and reading skills uncovered this.

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                [10/5]

                First post in thread, I found Accessibility Firewall gave itself a 73% ‘score’.

                Ashlee checked under 20 minutes later and it jumped to 78%:
                https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkt2ehq24k24

                Kevin a couple hours later and it was 83%:
                https://bsky.app/profile/kevinpowell.co/post/3mktc6hyqgs2e

                Either they’re live-fixing or the scores are bunk.

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                • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                  [10/5]

                  First post in thread, I found Accessibility Firewall gave itself a 73% ‘score’.

                  Ashlee checked under 20 minutes later and it jumped to 78%:
                  https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkt2ehq24k24

                  Kevin a couple hours later and it was 83%:
                  https://bsky.app/profile/kevinpowell.co/post/3mktc6hyqgs2e

                  Either they’re live-fixing or the scores are bunk.

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                  [11/5]

                  Using Vercel, Ashlee found the Accessibility Firewall introduced *more* errors:
                  https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkvg3kfjq22g

                  Curious, I checked.

                  When faced with the simplest error (a disclosure widget), its solution was to remove it — and site navigation for all mobile / narrow viewport users.

                  Cool.

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                  • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                    [11/5]

                    Using Vercel, Ashlee found the Accessibility Firewall introduced *more* errors:
                    https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkvg3kfjq22g

                    Curious, I checked.

                    When faced with the simplest error (a disclosure widget), its solution was to remove it — and site navigation for all mobile / narrow viewport users.

                    Cool.

                    Link Preview ImageLink Preview Image
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                    [12/5]

                    Accessibility Firewall ‘fixed’ one of the 133 issues axe DevTools identified on Vercel’s home page. By adding a useless `aria-label` to the logo link.

                    Meanwhile, it introduced more WCAG issues, while also removing subnav, login, sign in, “Ask AI”, etc.

                    Impressive.

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                    • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                      [12/5]

                      Accessibility Firewall ‘fixed’ one of the 133 issues axe DevTools identified on Vercel’s home page. By adding a useless `aria-label` to the logo link.

                      Meanwhile, it introduced more WCAG issues, while also removing subnav, login, sign in, “Ask AI”, etc.

                      Impressive.

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                      [13/13]

                      At least with overlays, I have some agency. I can turn them off, block the script. I can see what was made worse.

                      With Accessibility Firewall, it seems I cannot (based on its marketing). Cannot stop it, cannot see what changed, cannot undo it.

                      Overlay claims with worse outcomes.

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                      • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                        [5/5]

                        So the numbers feel made up, the remediation feels sketchy, the language feels off, and I feel this might be less than advertised.

                        But at least the Terms & Privacy policies are brief enough and offer sufficient recourse to make me walk away.

                        • https://webcraft.inc/terms
                        • https://webcraft.inc/privacy

                        🤷

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                        @aardrian ha, ha, ha. They don’t have a lawyer.

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