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  • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

    [2/5]

    When I visited the ‘remediated’ version of the firewall product in two browsers, I got a different number of auto-fixed items.

    Maybe you’ll get a different count?
    https://vpatcode-worker.webcraft-stephanie-fenton.workers.dev/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Faccessibilityfirewall.com%2F

    Pointing a tool at the vendor’s site is often a good test.

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    #3

    [3/5]

    The banner introduces WCAG violations, per axe. Though a user should never see the banner.

    But I wondered what went from an opaque score of 73% to 100%, or which 3–6 issues were fixed.

    Sadly, the banner dismiss button didn’t work. Either way, I saw no change (contrast was false positive).

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    • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

      [3/5]

      The banner introduces WCAG violations, per axe. Though a user should never see the banner.

      But I wondered what went from an opaque score of 73% to 100%, or which 3–6 issues were fixed.

      Sadly, the banner dismiss button didn’t work. Either way, I saw no change (contrast was false positive).

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      [4/5]

      I pulled the nodes out for the non-dismissable banner and then grabbed the before and after HTML. An online diff show the changes, or remediations, were minimal.

      Moved the `<base>`, added whitespace, 3 contrast ‘fixes’, and suppressing Cloudflare cookie consents and errors.

      Nice outlines.

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      • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

        [4/5]

        I pulled the nodes out for the non-dismissable banner and then grabbed the before and after HTML. An online diff show the changes, or remediations, were minimal.

        Moved the `<base>`, added whitespace, 3 contrast ‘fixes’, and suppressing Cloudflare cookie consents and errors.

        Nice outlines.

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        #5

        [5/5]

        So the numbers feel made up, the remediation feels sketchy, the language feels off, and I feel this might be less than advertised.

        But at least the Terms & Privacy policies are brief enough and offer sufficient recourse to make me walk away.

        • https://webcraft.inc/terms
        • https://webcraft.inc/privacy

        🤷

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        • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

          [5/5]

          So the numbers feel made up, the remediation feels sketchy, the language feels off, and I feel this might be less than advertised.

          But at least the Terms & Privacy policies are brief enough and offer sufficient recourse to make me walk away.

          • https://webcraft.inc/terms
          • https://webcraft.inc/privacy

          🤷

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          #6

          [6/5]

          I needed to know.

          https://vpatcode-worker.webcraft-stephanie-fenton.workers.dev/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fadrianroselli.com%2F

          It asserts one issue and a fix, and I think it’s wrong. Not just the issue but also the SC.

          Doing the math, there are 14 issues remaining. Though, maybe those are the “13 human-in-the-loop recommended”?

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          • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

            [6/5]

            I needed to know.

            https://vpatcode-worker.webcraft-stephanie-fenton.workers.dev/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fadrianroselli.com%2F

            It asserts one issue and a fix, and I think it’s wrong. Not just the issue but also the SC.

            Doing the math, there are 14 issues remaining. Though, maybe those are the “13 human-in-the-loop recommended”?

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            #7

            [7/5]

            I made archive pages of the Firewall product:
            • https://web.archive.org/web/20260501233848/https://accessibilityfirewall.com/
            • https://archive.is/wcHGD

            And Webcraft itself:
            • https://web.archive.org/web/20260501234507/https://webcraft.inc/
            • https://archive.is/KkZvg

            These may be useful in future discovery during false advertising litigation. Because they make bold claims (in order):

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            • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

              [7/5]

              I made archive pages of the Firewall product:
              • https://web.archive.org/web/20260501233848/https://accessibilityfirewall.com/
              • https://archive.is/wcHGD

              And Webcraft itself:
              • https://web.archive.org/web/20260501234507/https://webcraft.inc/
              • https://archive.is/KkZvg

              These may be useful in future discovery during false advertising litigation. Because they make bold claims (in order):

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              [8/5]

              Firewall claims:
              • “Your website is remediated before it reaches the browser.”
              • “The user receives mathematically compliant HTML. Fully accessible…”

              Webcraft claims:
              • “…instantly ensuring compliance…”
              • “Our full remediation engine processes all 86 WCAG 2.2 criteria…”
              • “Certified accessibility experts review the results to ensure legal defensibility.”
              • “Our engine patches them at the edge, ensuring compliance and integrity.”
              • “…enforcing Section 508 compliance…”

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              • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                [8/5]

                Firewall claims:
                • “Your website is remediated before it reaches the browser.”
                • “The user receives mathematically compliant HTML. Fully accessible…”

                Webcraft claims:
                • “…instantly ensuring compliance…”
                • “Our full remediation engine processes all 86 WCAG 2.2 criteria…”
                • “Certified accessibility experts review the results to ensure legal defensibility.”
                • “Our engine patches them at the edge, ensuring compliance and integrity.”
                • “…enforcing Section 508 compliance…”

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                #9

                [9/5]

                Tired: #overlay companies lying about using ‘AI’ for WCAG remediation (accessiBe’s FTC fine, my UserWay tests, etc.).

                Wired: ‘AI’ companies lying about not being overlays (sans opt-out).

                No accessibility knowledge needed to evaluate these. Basic HTML and reading skills uncovered this.

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                • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                  [8/5]

                  Firewall claims:
                  • “Your website is remediated before it reaches the browser.”
                  • “The user receives mathematically compliant HTML. Fully accessible…”

                  Webcraft claims:
                  • “…instantly ensuring compliance…”
                  • “Our full remediation engine processes all 86 WCAG 2.2 criteria…”
                  • “Certified accessibility experts review the results to ensure legal defensibility.”
                  • “Our engine patches them at the edge, ensuring compliance and integrity.”
                  • “…enforcing Section 508 compliance…”

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                  #10

                  @aardrian ..."mathematically compliant HTML"? WTF is that...

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                  • joedolson@toot.ioJ joedolson@toot.io

                    @aardrian ..."mathematically compliant HTML"? WTF is that...

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                    @joedolson Well, it’s just, like… numbers and, sums of elements and… like… how it all adds up to, um, compliance.

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                    • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                      @joedolson Well, it’s just, like… numbers and, sums of elements and… like… how it all adds up to, um, compliance.

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                      @aardrian Thank you for the sincere and thorough explanation... 😀

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                      • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                        [2/5]

                        When I visited the ‘remediated’ version of the firewall product in two browsers, I got a different number of auto-fixed items.

                        Maybe you’ll get a different count?
                        https://vpatcode-worker.webcraft-stephanie-fenton.workers.dev/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Faccessibilityfirewall.com%2F

                        Pointing a tool at the vendor’s site is often a good test.

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                        #13

                        @aardrian I got 5 auto-fixes in the in app browser of Ivory and 3 in Safari directly, which is odd considering the in app browser is just a webview with the safari engine.

                        Seems a bit… random?

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                        • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                          [1/5]

                          I heard about https://AccessibilityFirewall.com/, promising “No code changes. No overlay. No JavaScript.” It uses “edge” in the same way the Overlay Community Group does.

                          Red flag emoji.

                          So I ran it through its own “Live Remediation Engine”:
                          https://webcraft.inc/#audit-section

                          Hmmm…

                          #accessibility #a11y

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                          #14

                          @aardrian I've tried with ryanair.com, it's funny because it says "95 %" and the "fixed" version is a completely blank page. Great fix! 👏🏼😂

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                          • stephanie@mastodon.socialS stephanie@mastodon.social

                            @aardrian I got 5 auto-fixes in the in app browser of Ivory and 3 in Safari directly, which is odd considering the in app browser is just a webview with the safari engine.

                            Seems a bit… random?

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                            @Stephanie Yep, feels random and from an arbitrary and opaque set of rules.

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                            • tinitun@mstdn.socialT tinitun@mstdn.social

                              @aardrian I've tried with ryanair.com, it's funny because it says "95 %" and the "fixed" version is a completely blank page. Great fix! 👏🏼😂

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                              @tinitun Having flown Ryanair, that seems to fit.

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                              • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                                [9/5]

                                Tired: #overlay companies lying about using ‘AI’ for WCAG remediation (accessiBe’s FTC fine, my UserWay tests, etc.).

                                Wired: ‘AI’ companies lying about not being overlays (sans opt-out).

                                No accessibility knowledge needed to evaluate these. Basic HTML and reading skills uncovered this.

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                                #17

                                [10/5]

                                First post in thread, I found Accessibility Firewall gave itself a 73% ‘score’.

                                Ashlee checked under 20 minutes later and it jumped to 78%:
                                https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkt2ehq24k24

                                Kevin a couple hours later and it was 83%:
                                https://bsky.app/profile/kevinpowell.co/post/3mktc6hyqgs2e

                                Either they’re live-fixing or the scores are bunk.

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                                • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                                  [10/5]

                                  First post in thread, I found Accessibility Firewall gave itself a 73% ‘score’.

                                  Ashlee checked under 20 minutes later and it jumped to 78%:
                                  https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkt2ehq24k24

                                  Kevin a couple hours later and it was 83%:
                                  https://bsky.app/profile/kevinpowell.co/post/3mktc6hyqgs2e

                                  Either they’re live-fixing or the scores are bunk.

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                                  #18

                                  [11/5]

                                  Using Vercel, Ashlee found the Accessibility Firewall introduced *more* errors:
                                  https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkvg3kfjq22g

                                  Curious, I checked.

                                  When faced with the simplest error (a disclosure widget), its solution was to remove it — and site navigation for all mobile / narrow viewport users.

                                  Cool.

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                                    [11/5]

                                    Using Vercel, Ashlee found the Accessibility Firewall introduced *more* errors:
                                    https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkvg3kfjq22g

                                    Curious, I checked.

                                    When faced with the simplest error (a disclosure widget), its solution was to remove it — and site navigation for all mobile / narrow viewport users.

                                    Cool.

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                                    [12/5]

                                    Accessibility Firewall ‘fixed’ one of the 133 issues axe DevTools identified on Vercel’s home page. By adding a useless `aria-label` to the logo link.

                                    Meanwhile, it introduced more WCAG issues, while also removing subnav, login, sign in, “Ask AI”, etc.

                                    Impressive.

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                                    • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                                      [12/5]

                                      Accessibility Firewall ‘fixed’ one of the 133 issues axe DevTools identified on Vercel’s home page. By adding a useless `aria-label` to the logo link.

                                      Meanwhile, it introduced more WCAG issues, while also removing subnav, login, sign in, “Ask AI”, etc.

                                      Impressive.

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                                      #20

                                      [13/13]

                                      At least with overlays, I have some agency. I can turn them off, block the script. I can see what was made worse.

                                      With Accessibility Firewall, it seems I cannot (based on its marketing). Cannot stop it, cannot see what changed, cannot undo it.

                                      Overlay claims with worse outcomes.

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                                      • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                                        [5/5]

                                        So the numbers feel made up, the remediation feels sketchy, the language feels off, and I feel this might be less than advertised.

                                        But at least the Terms & Privacy policies are brief enough and offer sufficient recourse to make me walk away.

                                        • https://webcraft.inc/terms
                                        • https://webcraft.inc/privacy

                                        🤷

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                                        #21

                                        @aardrian ha, ha, ha. They don’t have a lawyer.

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