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  • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

    [4/5]

    I pulled the nodes out for the non-dismissable banner and then grabbed the before and after HTML. An online diff show the changes, or remediations, were minimal.

    Moved the `<base>`, added whitespace, 3 contrast ‘fixes’, and suppressing Cloudflare cookie consents and errors.

    Nice outlines.

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    [5/5]

    So the numbers feel made up, the remediation feels sketchy, the language feels off, and I feel this might be less than advertised.

    But at least the Terms & Privacy policies are brief enough and offer sufficient recourse to make me walk away.

    • https://webcraft.inc/terms
    • https://webcraft.inc/privacy

    🤷

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    • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

      [5/5]

      So the numbers feel made up, the remediation feels sketchy, the language feels off, and I feel this might be less than advertised.

      But at least the Terms & Privacy policies are brief enough and offer sufficient recourse to make me walk away.

      • https://webcraft.inc/terms
      • https://webcraft.inc/privacy

      🤷

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      [6/5]

      I needed to know.

      https://vpatcode-worker.webcraft-stephanie-fenton.workers.dev/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fadrianroselli.com%2F

      It asserts one issue and a fix, and I think it’s wrong. Not just the issue but also the SC.

      Doing the math, there are 14 issues remaining. Though, maybe those are the “13 human-in-the-loop recommended”?

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      • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

        [6/5]

        I needed to know.

        https://vpatcode-worker.webcraft-stephanie-fenton.workers.dev/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fadrianroselli.com%2F

        It asserts one issue and a fix, and I think it’s wrong. Not just the issue but also the SC.

        Doing the math, there are 14 issues remaining. Though, maybe those are the “13 human-in-the-loop recommended”?

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        [7/5]

        I made archive pages of the Firewall product:
        • https://web.archive.org/web/20260501233848/https://accessibilityfirewall.com/
        • https://archive.is/wcHGD

        And Webcraft itself:
        • https://web.archive.org/web/20260501234507/https://webcraft.inc/
        • https://archive.is/KkZvg

        These may be useful in future discovery during false advertising litigation. Because they make bold claims (in order):

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        • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

          [7/5]

          I made archive pages of the Firewall product:
          • https://web.archive.org/web/20260501233848/https://accessibilityfirewall.com/
          • https://archive.is/wcHGD

          And Webcraft itself:
          • https://web.archive.org/web/20260501234507/https://webcraft.inc/
          • https://archive.is/KkZvg

          These may be useful in future discovery during false advertising litigation. Because they make bold claims (in order):

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          [8/5]

          Firewall claims:
          • “Your website is remediated before it reaches the browser.”
          • “The user receives mathematically compliant HTML. Fully accessible…”

          Webcraft claims:
          • “…instantly ensuring compliance…”
          • “Our full remediation engine processes all 86 WCAG 2.2 criteria…”
          • “Certified accessibility experts review the results to ensure legal defensibility.”
          • “Our engine patches them at the edge, ensuring compliance and integrity.”
          • “…enforcing Section 508 compliance…”

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          • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

            [8/5]

            Firewall claims:
            • “Your website is remediated before it reaches the browser.”
            • “The user receives mathematically compliant HTML. Fully accessible…”

            Webcraft claims:
            • “…instantly ensuring compliance…”
            • “Our full remediation engine processes all 86 WCAG 2.2 criteria…”
            • “Certified accessibility experts review the results to ensure legal defensibility.”
            • “Our engine patches them at the edge, ensuring compliance and integrity.”
            • “…enforcing Section 508 compliance…”

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            [9/5]

            Tired: #overlay companies lying about using ‘AI’ for WCAG remediation (accessiBe’s FTC fine, my UserWay tests, etc.).

            Wired: ‘AI’ companies lying about not being overlays (sans opt-out).

            No accessibility knowledge needed to evaluate these. Basic HTML and reading skills uncovered this.

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            • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

              [8/5]

              Firewall claims:
              • “Your website is remediated before it reaches the browser.”
              • “The user receives mathematically compliant HTML. Fully accessible…”

              Webcraft claims:
              • “…instantly ensuring compliance…”
              • “Our full remediation engine processes all 86 WCAG 2.2 criteria…”
              • “Certified accessibility experts review the results to ensure legal defensibility.”
              • “Our engine patches them at the edge, ensuring compliance and integrity.”
              • “…enforcing Section 508 compliance…”

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              #10

              @aardrian ..."mathematically compliant HTML"? WTF is that...

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              • joedolson@toot.ioJ joedolson@toot.io

                @aardrian ..."mathematically compliant HTML"? WTF is that...

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                @joedolson Well, it’s just, like… numbers and, sums of elements and… like… how it all adds up to, um, compliance.

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                • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                  @joedolson Well, it’s just, like… numbers and, sums of elements and… like… how it all adds up to, um, compliance.

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                  @aardrian Thank you for the sincere and thorough explanation... 😀

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                  • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                    [2/5]

                    When I visited the ‘remediated’ version of the firewall product in two browsers, I got a different number of auto-fixed items.

                    Maybe you’ll get a different count?
                    https://vpatcode-worker.webcraft-stephanie-fenton.workers.dev/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Faccessibilityfirewall.com%2F

                    Pointing a tool at the vendor’s site is often a good test.

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                    @aardrian I got 5 auto-fixes in the in app browser of Ivory and 3 in Safari directly, which is odd considering the in app browser is just a webview with the safari engine.

                    Seems a bit… random?

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                    • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                      [1/5]

                      I heard about https://AccessibilityFirewall.com/, promising “No code changes. No overlay. No JavaScript.” It uses “edge” in the same way the Overlay Community Group does.

                      Red flag emoji.

                      So I ran it through its own “Live Remediation Engine”:
                      https://webcraft.inc/#audit-section

                      Hmmm…

                      #accessibility #a11y

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                      @aardrian I've tried with ryanair.com, it's funny because it says "95 %" and the "fixed" version is a completely blank page. Great fix! 👏🏼😂

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                      • stephanie@mastodon.socialS stephanie@mastodon.social

                        @aardrian I got 5 auto-fixes in the in app browser of Ivory and 3 in Safari directly, which is odd considering the in app browser is just a webview with the safari engine.

                        Seems a bit… random?

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                        @Stephanie Yep, feels random and from an arbitrary and opaque set of rules.

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                        • tinitun@mstdn.socialT tinitun@mstdn.social

                          @aardrian I've tried with ryanair.com, it's funny because it says "95 %" and the "fixed" version is a completely blank page. Great fix! 👏🏼😂

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                          @tinitun Having flown Ryanair, that seems to fit.

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                          • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                            [9/5]

                            Tired: #overlay companies lying about using ‘AI’ for WCAG remediation (accessiBe’s FTC fine, my UserWay tests, etc.).

                            Wired: ‘AI’ companies lying about not being overlays (sans opt-out).

                            No accessibility knowledge needed to evaluate these. Basic HTML and reading skills uncovered this.

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                            [10/5]

                            First post in thread, I found Accessibility Firewall gave itself a 73% ‘score’.

                            Ashlee checked under 20 minutes later and it jumped to 78%:
                            https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkt2ehq24k24

                            Kevin a couple hours later and it was 83%:
                            https://bsky.app/profile/kevinpowell.co/post/3mktc6hyqgs2e

                            Either they’re live-fixing or the scores are bunk.

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                            • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                              [10/5]

                              First post in thread, I found Accessibility Firewall gave itself a 73% ‘score’.

                              Ashlee checked under 20 minutes later and it jumped to 78%:
                              https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkt2ehq24k24

                              Kevin a couple hours later and it was 83%:
                              https://bsky.app/profile/kevinpowell.co/post/3mktc6hyqgs2e

                              Either they’re live-fixing or the scores are bunk.

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                              #18

                              [11/5]

                              Using Vercel, Ashlee found the Accessibility Firewall introduced *more* errors:
                              https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkvg3kfjq22g

                              Curious, I checked.

                              When faced with the simplest error (a disclosure widget), its solution was to remove it — and site navigation for all mobile / narrow viewport users.

                              Cool.

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                                [11/5]

                                Using Vercel, Ashlee found the Accessibility Firewall introduced *more* errors:
                                https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkvg3kfjq22g

                                Curious, I checked.

                                When faced with the simplest error (a disclosure widget), its solution was to remove it — and site navigation for all mobile / narrow viewport users.

                                Cool.

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                                [12/5]

                                Accessibility Firewall ‘fixed’ one of the 133 issues axe DevTools identified on Vercel’s home page. By adding a useless `aria-label` to the logo link.

                                Meanwhile, it introduced more WCAG issues, while also removing subnav, login, sign in, “Ask AI”, etc.

                                Impressive.

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                                • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                                  [12/5]

                                  Accessibility Firewall ‘fixed’ one of the 133 issues axe DevTools identified on Vercel’s home page. By adding a useless `aria-label` to the logo link.

                                  Meanwhile, it introduced more WCAG issues, while also removing subnav, login, sign in, “Ask AI”, etc.

                                  Impressive.

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                                  [13/13]

                                  At least with overlays, I have some agency. I can turn them off, block the script. I can see what was made worse.

                                  With Accessibility Firewall, it seems I cannot (based on its marketing). Cannot stop it, cannot see what changed, cannot undo it.

                                  Overlay claims with worse outcomes.

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                                  • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                                    [5/5]

                                    So the numbers feel made up, the remediation feels sketchy, the language feels off, and I feel this might be less than advertised.

                                    But at least the Terms & Privacy policies are brief enough and offer sufficient recourse to make me walk away.

                                    • https://webcraft.inc/terms
                                    • https://webcraft.inc/privacy

                                    🤷

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                                    @aardrian ha, ha, ha. They don’t have a lawyer.

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