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  • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

    [8/5]

    Firewall claims:
    • “Your website is remediated before it reaches the browser.”
    • “The user receives mathematically compliant HTML. Fully accessible…”

    Webcraft claims:
    • “…instantly ensuring compliance…”
    • “Our full remediation engine processes all 86 WCAG 2.2 criteria…”
    • “Certified accessibility experts review the results to ensure legal defensibility.”
    • “Our engine patches them at the edge, ensuring compliance and integrity.”
    • “…enforcing Section 508 compliance…”

    joedolson@toot.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    @aardrian ..."mathematically compliant HTML"? WTF is that...

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    • joedolson@toot.ioJ joedolson@toot.io

      @aardrian ..."mathematically compliant HTML"? WTF is that...

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      @joedolson Well, it’s just, like… numbers and, sums of elements and… like… how it all adds up to, um, compliance.

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      • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

        @joedolson Well, it’s just, like… numbers and, sums of elements and… like… how it all adds up to, um, compliance.

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        @aardrian Thank you for the sincere and thorough explanation... 😀

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        • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

          [2/5]

          When I visited the ‘remediated’ version of the firewall product in two browsers, I got a different number of auto-fixed items.

          Maybe you’ll get a different count?
          https://vpatcode-worker.webcraft-stephanie-fenton.workers.dev/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Faccessibilityfirewall.com%2F

          Pointing a tool at the vendor’s site is often a good test.

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          @aardrian I got 5 auto-fixes in the in app browser of Ivory and 3 in Safari directly, which is odd considering the in app browser is just a webview with the safari engine.

          Seems a bit… random?

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          • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

            [1/5]

            I heard about https://AccessibilityFirewall.com/, promising “No code changes. No overlay. No JavaScript.” It uses “edge” in the same way the Overlay Community Group does.

            Red flag emoji.

            So I ran it through its own “Live Remediation Engine”:
            https://webcraft.inc/#audit-section

            Hmmm…

            #accessibility #a11y

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            @aardrian I've tried with ryanair.com, it's funny because it says "95 %" and the "fixed" version is a completely blank page. Great fix! 👏🏼😂

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            • stephanie@mastodon.socialS stephanie@mastodon.social

              @aardrian I got 5 auto-fixes in the in app browser of Ivory and 3 in Safari directly, which is odd considering the in app browser is just a webview with the safari engine.

              Seems a bit… random?

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              @Stephanie Yep, feels random and from an arbitrary and opaque set of rules.

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              • tinitun@mstdn.socialT tinitun@mstdn.social

                @aardrian I've tried with ryanair.com, it's funny because it says "95 %" and the "fixed" version is a completely blank page. Great fix! 👏🏼😂

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                @tinitun Having flown Ryanair, that seems to fit.

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                • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                  [9/5]

                  Tired: #overlay companies lying about using ‘AI’ for WCAG remediation (accessiBe’s FTC fine, my UserWay tests, etc.).

                  Wired: ‘AI’ companies lying about not being overlays (sans opt-out).

                  No accessibility knowledge needed to evaluate these. Basic HTML and reading skills uncovered this.

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                  [10/5]

                  First post in thread, I found Accessibility Firewall gave itself a 73% ‘score’.

                  Ashlee checked under 20 minutes later and it jumped to 78%:
                  https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkt2ehq24k24

                  Kevin a couple hours later and it was 83%:
                  https://bsky.app/profile/kevinpowell.co/post/3mktc6hyqgs2e

                  Either they’re live-fixing or the scores are bunk.

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                  • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                    [10/5]

                    First post in thread, I found Accessibility Firewall gave itself a 73% ‘score’.

                    Ashlee checked under 20 minutes later and it jumped to 78%:
                    https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkt2ehq24k24

                    Kevin a couple hours later and it was 83%:
                    https://bsky.app/profile/kevinpowell.co/post/3mktc6hyqgs2e

                    Either they’re live-fixing or the scores are bunk.

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                    [11/5]

                    Using Vercel, Ashlee found the Accessibility Firewall introduced *more* errors:
                    https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkvg3kfjq22g

                    Curious, I checked.

                    When faced with the simplest error (a disclosure widget), its solution was to remove it — and site navigation for all mobile / narrow viewport users.

                    Cool.

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                    • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                      [11/5]

                      Using Vercel, Ashlee found the Accessibility Firewall introduced *more* errors:
                      https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkvg3kfjq22g

                      Curious, I checked.

                      When faced with the simplest error (a disclosure widget), its solution was to remove it — and site navigation for all mobile / narrow viewport users.

                      Cool.

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                      [12/5]

                      Accessibility Firewall ‘fixed’ one of the 133 issues axe DevTools identified on Vercel’s home page. By adding a useless `aria-label` to the logo link.

                      Meanwhile, it introduced more WCAG issues, while also removing subnav, login, sign in, “Ask AI”, etc.

                      Impressive.

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                      • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                        [12/5]

                        Accessibility Firewall ‘fixed’ one of the 133 issues axe DevTools identified on Vercel’s home page. By adding a useless `aria-label` to the logo link.

                        Meanwhile, it introduced more WCAG issues, while also removing subnav, login, sign in, “Ask AI”, etc.

                        Impressive.

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                        [13/13]

                        At least with overlays, I have some agency. I can turn them off, block the script. I can see what was made worse.

                        With Accessibility Firewall, it seems I cannot (based on its marketing). Cannot stop it, cannot see what changed, cannot undo it.

                        Overlay claims with worse outcomes.

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                        • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                          [5/5]

                          So the numbers feel made up, the remediation feels sketchy, the language feels off, and I feel this might be less than advertised.

                          But at least the Terms & Privacy policies are brief enough and offer sufficient recourse to make me walk away.

                          • https://webcraft.inc/terms
                          • https://webcraft.inc/privacy

                          🤷

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                          #21

                          @aardrian ha, ha, ha. They don’t have a lawyer.

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