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  • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

    [3/5]

    The banner introduces WCAG violations, per axe. Though a user should never see the banner.

    But I wondered what went from an opaque score of 73% to 100%, or which 3–6 issues were fixed.

    Sadly, the banner dismiss button didn’t work. Either way, I saw no change (contrast was false positive).

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    [4/5]

    I pulled the nodes out for the non-dismissable banner and then grabbed the before and after HTML. An online diff show the changes, or remediations, were minimal.

    Moved the `<base>`, added whitespace, 3 contrast ‘fixes’, and suppressing Cloudflare cookie consents and errors.

    Nice outlines.

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    • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

      [4/5]

      I pulled the nodes out for the non-dismissable banner and then grabbed the before and after HTML. An online diff show the changes, or remediations, were minimal.

      Moved the `<base>`, added whitespace, 3 contrast ‘fixes’, and suppressing Cloudflare cookie consents and errors.

      Nice outlines.

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      #5

      [5/5]

      So the numbers feel made up, the remediation feels sketchy, the language feels off, and I feel this might be less than advertised.

      But at least the Terms & Privacy policies are brief enough and offer sufficient recourse to make me walk away.

      • https://webcraft.inc/terms
      • https://webcraft.inc/privacy

      🤷

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      • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

        [5/5]

        So the numbers feel made up, the remediation feels sketchy, the language feels off, and I feel this might be less than advertised.

        But at least the Terms & Privacy policies are brief enough and offer sufficient recourse to make me walk away.

        • https://webcraft.inc/terms
        • https://webcraft.inc/privacy

        🤷

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        #6

        [6/5]

        I needed to know.

        https://vpatcode-worker.webcraft-stephanie-fenton.workers.dev/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fadrianroselli.com%2F

        It asserts one issue and a fix, and I think it’s wrong. Not just the issue but also the SC.

        Doing the math, there are 14 issues remaining. Though, maybe those are the “13 human-in-the-loop recommended”?

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        • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

          [6/5]

          I needed to know.

          https://vpatcode-worker.webcraft-stephanie-fenton.workers.dev/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fadrianroselli.com%2F

          It asserts one issue and a fix, and I think it’s wrong. Not just the issue but also the SC.

          Doing the math, there are 14 issues remaining. Though, maybe those are the “13 human-in-the-loop recommended”?

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          [7/5]

          I made archive pages of the Firewall product:
          • https://web.archive.org/web/20260501233848/https://accessibilityfirewall.com/
          • https://archive.is/wcHGD

          And Webcraft itself:
          • https://web.archive.org/web/20260501234507/https://webcraft.inc/
          • https://archive.is/KkZvg

          These may be useful in future discovery during false advertising litigation. Because they make bold claims (in order):

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          • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

            [7/5]

            I made archive pages of the Firewall product:
            • https://web.archive.org/web/20260501233848/https://accessibilityfirewall.com/
            • https://archive.is/wcHGD

            And Webcraft itself:
            • https://web.archive.org/web/20260501234507/https://webcraft.inc/
            • https://archive.is/KkZvg

            These may be useful in future discovery during false advertising litigation. Because they make bold claims (in order):

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            [8/5]

            Firewall claims:
            • “Your website is remediated before it reaches the browser.”
            • “The user receives mathematically compliant HTML. Fully accessible…”

            Webcraft claims:
            • “…instantly ensuring compliance…”
            • “Our full remediation engine processes all 86 WCAG 2.2 criteria…”
            • “Certified accessibility experts review the results to ensure legal defensibility.”
            • “Our engine patches them at the edge, ensuring compliance and integrity.”
            • “…enforcing Section 508 compliance…”

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            • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

              [8/5]

              Firewall claims:
              • “Your website is remediated before it reaches the browser.”
              • “The user receives mathematically compliant HTML. Fully accessible…”

              Webcraft claims:
              • “…instantly ensuring compliance…”
              • “Our full remediation engine processes all 86 WCAG 2.2 criteria…”
              • “Certified accessibility experts review the results to ensure legal defensibility.”
              • “Our engine patches them at the edge, ensuring compliance and integrity.”
              • “…enforcing Section 508 compliance…”

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              [9/5]

              Tired: #overlay companies lying about using ‘AI’ for WCAG remediation (accessiBe’s FTC fine, my UserWay tests, etc.).

              Wired: ‘AI’ companies lying about not being overlays (sans opt-out).

              No accessibility knowledge needed to evaluate these. Basic HTML and reading skills uncovered this.

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              • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                [8/5]

                Firewall claims:
                • “Your website is remediated before it reaches the browser.”
                • “The user receives mathematically compliant HTML. Fully accessible…”

                Webcraft claims:
                • “…instantly ensuring compliance…”
                • “Our full remediation engine processes all 86 WCAG 2.2 criteria…”
                • “Certified accessibility experts review the results to ensure legal defensibility.”
                • “Our engine patches them at the edge, ensuring compliance and integrity.”
                • “…enforcing Section 508 compliance…”

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                #10

                @aardrian ..."mathematically compliant HTML"? WTF is that...

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                • joedolson@toot.ioJ joedolson@toot.io

                  @aardrian ..."mathematically compliant HTML"? WTF is that...

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                  @joedolson Well, it’s just, like… numbers and, sums of elements and… like… how it all adds up to, um, compliance.

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                  • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                    @joedolson Well, it’s just, like… numbers and, sums of elements and… like… how it all adds up to, um, compliance.

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                    @aardrian Thank you for the sincere and thorough explanation... 😀

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                    • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                      [2/5]

                      When I visited the ‘remediated’ version of the firewall product in two browsers, I got a different number of auto-fixed items.

                      Maybe you’ll get a different count?
                      https://vpatcode-worker.webcraft-stephanie-fenton.workers.dev/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Faccessibilityfirewall.com%2F

                      Pointing a tool at the vendor’s site is often a good test.

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                      @aardrian I got 5 auto-fixes in the in app browser of Ivory and 3 in Safari directly, which is odd considering the in app browser is just a webview with the safari engine.

                      Seems a bit… random?

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                      • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                        [1/5]

                        I heard about https://AccessibilityFirewall.com/, promising “No code changes. No overlay. No JavaScript.” It uses “edge” in the same way the Overlay Community Group does.

                        Red flag emoji.

                        So I ran it through its own “Live Remediation Engine”:
                        https://webcraft.inc/#audit-section

                        Hmmm…

                        #accessibility #a11y

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                        #14

                        @aardrian I've tried with ryanair.com, it's funny because it says "95 %" and the "fixed" version is a completely blank page. Great fix! 👏🏼😂

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                        • stephanie@mastodon.socialS stephanie@mastodon.social

                          @aardrian I got 5 auto-fixes in the in app browser of Ivory and 3 in Safari directly, which is odd considering the in app browser is just a webview with the safari engine.

                          Seems a bit… random?

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                          @Stephanie Yep, feels random and from an arbitrary and opaque set of rules.

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                          • tinitun@mstdn.socialT tinitun@mstdn.social

                            @aardrian I've tried with ryanair.com, it's funny because it says "95 %" and the "fixed" version is a completely blank page. Great fix! 👏🏼😂

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                            #16

                            @tinitun Having flown Ryanair, that seems to fit.

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                            • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                              [9/5]

                              Tired: #overlay companies lying about using ‘AI’ for WCAG remediation (accessiBe’s FTC fine, my UserWay tests, etc.).

                              Wired: ‘AI’ companies lying about not being overlays (sans opt-out).

                              No accessibility knowledge needed to evaluate these. Basic HTML and reading skills uncovered this.

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                              [10/5]

                              First post in thread, I found Accessibility Firewall gave itself a 73% ‘score’.

                              Ashlee checked under 20 minutes later and it jumped to 78%:
                              https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkt2ehq24k24

                              Kevin a couple hours later and it was 83%:
                              https://bsky.app/profile/kevinpowell.co/post/3mktc6hyqgs2e

                              Either they’re live-fixing or the scores are bunk.

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                              • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                                [10/5]

                                First post in thread, I found Accessibility Firewall gave itself a 73% ‘score’.

                                Ashlee checked under 20 minutes later and it jumped to 78%:
                                https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkt2ehq24k24

                                Kevin a couple hours later and it was 83%:
                                https://bsky.app/profile/kevinpowell.co/post/3mktc6hyqgs2e

                                Either they’re live-fixing or the scores are bunk.

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                                [11/5]

                                Using Vercel, Ashlee found the Accessibility Firewall introduced *more* errors:
                                https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkvg3kfjq22g

                                Curious, I checked.

                                When faced with the simplest error (a disclosure widget), its solution was to remove it — and site navigation for all mobile / narrow viewport users.

                                Cool.

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                                  [11/5]

                                  Using Vercel, Ashlee found the Accessibility Firewall introduced *more* errors:
                                  https://bsky.app/profile/ashleemboyer.com/post/3mkvg3kfjq22g

                                  Curious, I checked.

                                  When faced with the simplest error (a disclosure widget), its solution was to remove it — and site navigation for all mobile / narrow viewport users.

                                  Cool.

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                                  [12/5]

                                  Accessibility Firewall ‘fixed’ one of the 133 issues axe DevTools identified on Vercel’s home page. By adding a useless `aria-label` to the logo link.

                                  Meanwhile, it introduced more WCAG issues, while also removing subnav, login, sign in, “Ask AI”, etc.

                                  Impressive.

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                                    [12/5]

                                    Accessibility Firewall ‘fixed’ one of the 133 issues axe DevTools identified on Vercel’s home page. By adding a useless `aria-label` to the logo link.

                                    Meanwhile, it introduced more WCAG issues, while also removing subnav, login, sign in, “Ask AI”, etc.

                                    Impressive.

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                                    [13/13]

                                    At least with overlays, I have some agency. I can turn them off, block the script. I can see what was made worse.

                                    With Accessibility Firewall, it seems I cannot (based on its marketing). Cannot stop it, cannot see what changed, cannot undo it.

                                    Overlay claims with worse outcomes.

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                                    • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                                      [5/5]

                                      So the numbers feel made up, the remediation feels sketchy, the language feels off, and I feel this might be less than advertised.

                                      But at least the Terms & Privacy policies are brief enough and offer sufficient recourse to make me walk away.

                                      • https://webcraft.inc/terms
                                      • https://webcraft.inc/privacy

                                      🤷

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                                      @aardrian ha, ha, ha. They don’t have a lawyer.

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