Nothing gives Israel a special right to invade neighbors, bulldoze their homes, and create a DMZ.
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@JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado yes, an not voting is going so well? You really made the world so much safer staying home? Palestine is free? You refuse to listen to Ben's clear plan to use the existing *clearly flawed* political machinery to drag the Overton window to the left. Good lord, no one has said the democratic party is going to magically fix the world.
Sulking is just obeying in advance. You're either a troll or willfully ignorant.
@roger @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I am not an American so to me there is no difference which president sends the bombs. What I do know is that historically fascism is defeated on the streets, not the ballot box. If all you can do politically is vote for the least worst option, you will always end up in this point just later. Why can't you channel all that energy instead to build something for yourselves, not controlled by big money and actually by the people?
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@hakona @JakeKb @benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado Exactly. And the stronger you feel the more you should feel compelled to canvas, support, work your arse off for those candidates that DO deserve your support. And in your 2 party system such candidates have no choice but to present themselves as "GOP" or Dem.
A third party CAN be created but the amount of effort to pull THAT off would be gargantuan. Don't expect to see the fruits of THAT effort in your lifetime if you're over 40.
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado I suggest looking through Nick Power’s videos on YouTube or IG. He has done so many with with regards to voting and importance of showing up the primaries, with actual stats backing up his statements, but here’s one addressing “Dems are the same as GOP.”
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@Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
No, those who didn't vote brought us to this moment. Had people paid attention things would have been far from here. Biden/Harris had us in a place that would have rebuilt the economy between WWII and 1970's. Unions back in strength, if you look at the 5 bills that trump doesn't dare allow you'll see what I'm saying. Ignorance & not paying attention is what brought us here. GOP has been fighting for this for 75 years. B/H almost got it back in 4years.@A_Minion @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
Biden's America had the best economic recovery from covid in the WORLD, even after we had the worst death rate (& probably the worst long-term health damage) from the pandemic
he was an amazing POTUS who made amazing strides so...
this had to be stopped by the relentless forces of negativity
some times i wonder if humanity deserves to survive if our greatest talent is our gift to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
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@Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
right
and with trump we get what?
oh i see: you expect perfection
and if you don't get it: well then fuck palestinians even worse with trump?
as long as your precious impotent sense of perfection is untouched by the call to do something, because doing something is imperfect
*it's always imperfect*
you're fine with trump. you're fine with fascism. you're fine with genocide
because perfect isn't on the menu
fragile immaturity
Pretty sure "anything that isn't perfect, is shit" is an actual form of demonic possession. Poop-head Demon infestation. Or maybe worms in the brain.
One or the otherOr maybe just entitled pretentious arseholery
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@roger @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I am not an American so to me there is no difference which president sends the bombs. What I do know is that historically fascism is defeated on the streets, not the ballot box. If all you can do politically is vote for the least worst option, you will always end up in this point just later. Why can't you channel all that energy instead to build something for yourselves, not controlled by big money and actually by the people?
@JakeKb @roger @Netraven @mcnado
jake, i already responded to this lie of yours
please read
please educate yourself
*then* comment on a topic you currently do not understand
do not continue posting the same lie over and over again, and helping MAGA win, which is what your current attitude argues for
ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (@benroyce@mastodon.social)
@JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @Netraven@hear-me.social @mcnado@mstdn.social a 3rd party divides the left vote and ensures MAGA domination we need to take over the democrats. i don't like it. it's just the most feasible option the problem with international observers like yourself is you come from a different voting system the usa is FPTP meaning there will only ever be 2 parties (we need RCV to fix that) it's not corruption, it's math educate yourself before commenting on the matter next time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
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That is the ONLY way that things work.
We have shitty choices now, because people who could have influenced things to get better options stood back and let things take their course.Paradigmatic changes almost never happen, and are almost always bad. Incremental and marginal improvement is almost always the only way things actually improve. It works like that to make better sausages, airplanes, or policies
@screwturn "Paradigmatic changes almost never happen, and are almost always bad." Hear, hear. @Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado
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lmao
Your resorting to insults is so sad. Browbeating people into voting for a dead end party is not a winning strategy.@Pine_Affinity It's an accurate description, pertinent to the issue.
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How many more years of Chuck Schumer are acceptable?
@Pine_Affinity@mastodon.social
You vote for the ones that don't suck. It's that fucking simple. So far, that excludes 99% of the GOP and 66% of the DNC.
Fucking figure it out.
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@hakona @JakeKb @benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado Exactly. And the stronger you feel the more you should feel compelled to canvas, support, work your arse off for those candidates that DO deserve your support. And in your 2 party system such candidates have no choice but to present themselves as "GOP" or Dem.
A third party CAN be created but the amount of effort to pull THAT off would be gargantuan. Don't expect to see the fruits of THAT effort in your lifetime if you're over 40.
@hakona @JakeKb @benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado But maybe it's something that needs to be done. Long term thinking doesn't seem to be US citizens' strong point, but as the Dutch saying goes: "boompje groot, plantertje dood". By the time a tree is mature, its planter will have died of old age. Why bother? For your children's children.
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@A_Minion @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
Biden's America had the best economic recovery from covid in the WORLD, even after we had the worst death rate (& probably the worst long-term health damage) from the pandemic
he was an amazing POTUS who made amazing strides so...
this had to be stopped by the relentless forces of negativity
some times i wonder if humanity deserves to survive if our greatest talent is our gift to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
@peachfront @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
Well we are close to finding out if we are going to take ourselves out of the gene pool. Fuckers can't even swim in reality. I had been waiting for someone to rebuild the economy of the 50's-70's. B/H had it. It took the GOP 75 years to get total control, B/H almost got it back in 4. Everyone of the Dems are looking for a platform to run on and here one sits in the corner dying from a bad case of ignore(ance)!
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@Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
how many times have i written "show up in the primaries"
do you understand what a primary is?
how did we get mamdani?
was it because of people like you going "nothing changes. waah. everything sucks and then you die. waah"
or was it from people voting?
@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado It really isn't rocket science: vote principle in the primary, vote party in the general election. The first is how you keep Democrats honest and move them to the left. The second is how you keep outright fascists out of power.
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@Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
right
and with trump we get what?
oh i see: you expect perfection
and if you don't get it: well then fuck palestinians even worse with trump?
as long as your precious impotent sense of perfection is untouched by the call to do something, because doing something is imperfect
*it's always imperfect*
you're fine with trump. you're fine with fascism. you're fine with genocide
because perfect isn't on the menu
fragile immaturity
@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado maybe you will keep pushing voters away from the dems and enough people will gather to replace them completely. Then they will have something to vote for.
Im a big proponent of voting, but this kind of dialog makes me look bad by association
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@peachfront @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
Well we are close to finding out if we are going to take ourselves out of the gene pool. Fuckers can't even swim in reality. I had been waiting for someone to rebuild the economy of the 50's-70's. B/H had it. It took the GOP 75 years to get total control, B/H almost got it back in 4. Everyone of the Dems are looking for a platform to run on and here one sits in the corner dying from a bad case of ignore(ance)!
@A_Minion @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
i feel the same way, we had victory in our hands, a new wave of opportunity was coming...
now that's gone & the US Treasury looted for the criminal oligarchs
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@JakeKb @roger @Netraven @mcnado
jake, i already responded to this lie of yours
please read
please educate yourself
*then* comment on a topic you currently do not understand
do not continue posting the same lie over and over again, and helping MAGA win, which is what your current attitude argues for
ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (@benroyce@mastodon.social)
@JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @Netraven@hear-me.social @mcnado@mstdn.social a 3rd party divides the left vote and ensures MAGA domination we need to take over the democrats. i don't like it. it's just the most feasible option the problem with international observers like yourself is you come from a different voting system the usa is FPTP meaning there will only ever be 2 parties (we need RCV to fix that) it's not corruption, it's math educate yourself before commenting on the matter next time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
Mastodon (mastodon.social)
@benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado That's not really an argument. You can fight against the 2 party system, you can even fight to dismantle the 2 party system and go for proportional representation. Other countries had 2 party systems and dismantled them. You choose not to and you end up with the same policies. I understand perfectly well that it is not easy, but telling me that this is the only way is what is actually defeatist.
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@benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado That's not really an argument. You can fight against the 2 party system, you can even fight to dismantle the 2 party system and go for proportional representation. Other countries had 2 party systems and dismantled them. You choose not to and you end up with the same policies. I understand perfectly well that it is not easy, but telling me that this is the only way is what is actually defeatist.
@JakeKb @roger @Netraven @mcnado
jake:
duverger's law
it's not corruption, it's just math
you come from another voting system where 3rd party is easy
that is not the way it is in the usa
you don't understand that
but you continue to argue from ignorance, and you are helping MAGA
PLEASE educate yourself and stop spreading lies to help MAGA
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado maybe you will keep pushing voters away from the dems and enough people will gather to replace them completely. Then they will have something to vote for.
Im a big proponent of voting, but this kind of dialog makes me look bad by association
Wait ... so you think that urging people to vote, and opposing arguments about it being futile because it isn't perfect .... is "pushing voters away"?
If I did the opposite and screamed at people to not vote for anything that wasn't perfect, would that help bring in more votes?
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado maybe you will keep pushing voters away from the dems and enough people will gather to replace them completely. Then they will have something to vote for.
Im a big proponent of voting, but this kind of dialog makes me look bad by association
@ATLeagle @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
well we don't follow each other, so there's no association
and we will never have 3rd parties in the USA as long as we have FPTP voting. we need ranked choice to make 3rd parties possible
3rd party talk is a self-destructive "solution" that divides the left vote, in FPTP, and so in reality only helps MAGA win
so please, by all means continue not associating your ignorance about the US voting system with me
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Wait ... so you think that urging people to vote, and opposing arguments about it being futile because it isn't perfect .... is "pushing voters away"?
If I did the opposite and screamed at people to not vote for anything that wasn't perfect, would that help bring in more votes?
@screwturn @benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @Netraven @mcnado I think that demeaning and insulting people while assuming you know their motives isn't a way to make friends.
The election was already lost. Flinging poo at people who could help you win the next time is not the action I would advise
