Nothing gives Israel a special right to invade neighbors, bulldoze their homes, and create a DMZ.
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@hakona @JakeKb @benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado Exactly. And the stronger you feel the more you should feel compelled to canvas, support, work your arse off for those candidates that DO deserve your support. And in your 2 party system such candidates have no choice but to present themselves as "GOP" or Dem.
A third party CAN be created but the amount of effort to pull THAT off would be gargantuan. Don't expect to see the fruits of THAT effort in your lifetime if you're over 40.
@hakona @JakeKb @benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado But maybe it's something that needs to be done. Long term thinking doesn't seem to be US citizens' strong point, but as the Dutch saying goes: "boompje groot, plantertje dood". By the time a tree is mature, its planter will have died of old age. Why bother? For your children's children.
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@A_Minion @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
Biden's America had the best economic recovery from covid in the WORLD, even after we had the worst death rate (& probably the worst long-term health damage) from the pandemic
he was an amazing POTUS who made amazing strides so...
this had to be stopped by the relentless forces of negativity
some times i wonder if humanity deserves to survive if our greatest talent is our gift to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
@peachfront @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
Well we are close to finding out if we are going to take ourselves out of the gene pool. Fuckers can't even swim in reality. I had been waiting for someone to rebuild the economy of the 50's-70's. B/H had it. It took the GOP 75 years to get total control, B/H almost got it back in 4. Everyone of the Dems are looking for a platform to run on and here one sits in the corner dying from a bad case of ignore(ance)!
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@Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
how many times have i written "show up in the primaries"
do you understand what a primary is?
how did we get mamdani?
was it because of people like you going "nothing changes. waah. everything sucks and then you die. waah"
or was it from people voting?
@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado It really isn't rocket science: vote principle in the primary, vote party in the general election. The first is how you keep Democrats honest and move them to the left. The second is how you keep outright fascists out of power.
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@Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
right
and with trump we get what?
oh i see: you expect perfection
and if you don't get it: well then fuck palestinians even worse with trump?
as long as your precious impotent sense of perfection is untouched by the call to do something, because doing something is imperfect
*it's always imperfect*
you're fine with trump. you're fine with fascism. you're fine with genocide
because perfect isn't on the menu
fragile immaturity
@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado maybe you will keep pushing voters away from the dems and enough people will gather to replace them completely. Then they will have something to vote for.
Im a big proponent of voting, but this kind of dialog makes me look bad by association
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@peachfront @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
Well we are close to finding out if we are going to take ourselves out of the gene pool. Fuckers can't even swim in reality. I had been waiting for someone to rebuild the economy of the 50's-70's. B/H had it. It took the GOP 75 years to get total control, B/H almost got it back in 4. Everyone of the Dems are looking for a platform to run on and here one sits in the corner dying from a bad case of ignore(ance)!
@A_Minion @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
i feel the same way, we had victory in our hands, a new wave of opportunity was coming...
now that's gone & the US Treasury looted for the criminal oligarchs
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@JakeKb @roger @Netraven @mcnado
jake, i already responded to this lie of yours
please read
please educate yourself
*then* comment on a topic you currently do not understand
do not continue posting the same lie over and over again, and helping MAGA win, which is what your current attitude argues for
ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (@benroyce@mastodon.social)
@JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @Netraven@hear-me.social @mcnado@mstdn.social a 3rd party divides the left vote and ensures MAGA domination we need to take over the democrats. i don't like it. it's just the most feasible option the problem with international observers like yourself is you come from a different voting system the usa is FPTP meaning there will only ever be 2 parties (we need RCV to fix that) it's not corruption, it's math educate yourself before commenting on the matter next time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
Mastodon (mastodon.social)
@benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado That's not really an argument. You can fight against the 2 party system, you can even fight to dismantle the 2 party system and go for proportional representation. Other countries had 2 party systems and dismantled them. You choose not to and you end up with the same policies. I understand perfectly well that it is not easy, but telling me that this is the only way is what is actually defeatist.
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@benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado That's not really an argument. You can fight against the 2 party system, you can even fight to dismantle the 2 party system and go for proportional representation. Other countries had 2 party systems and dismantled them. You choose not to and you end up with the same policies. I understand perfectly well that it is not easy, but telling me that this is the only way is what is actually defeatist.
@JakeKb @roger @Netraven @mcnado
jake:
duverger's law
it's not corruption, it's just math
you come from another voting system where 3rd party is easy
that is not the way it is in the usa
you don't understand that
but you continue to argue from ignorance, and you are helping MAGA
PLEASE educate yourself and stop spreading lies to help MAGA
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado maybe you will keep pushing voters away from the dems and enough people will gather to replace them completely. Then they will have something to vote for.
Im a big proponent of voting, but this kind of dialog makes me look bad by association
Wait ... so you think that urging people to vote, and opposing arguments about it being futile because it isn't perfect .... is "pushing voters away"?
If I did the opposite and screamed at people to not vote for anything that wasn't perfect, would that help bring in more votes?
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado maybe you will keep pushing voters away from the dems and enough people will gather to replace them completely. Then they will have something to vote for.
Im a big proponent of voting, but this kind of dialog makes me look bad by association
@ATLeagle @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
well we don't follow each other, so there's no association
and we will never have 3rd parties in the USA as long as we have FPTP voting. we need ranked choice to make 3rd parties possible
3rd party talk is a self-destructive "solution" that divides the left vote, in FPTP, and so in reality only helps MAGA win
so please, by all means continue not associating your ignorance about the US voting system with me
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Wait ... so you think that urging people to vote, and opposing arguments about it being futile because it isn't perfect .... is "pushing voters away"?
If I did the opposite and screamed at people to not vote for anything that wasn't perfect, would that help bring in more votes?
@screwturn @benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @Netraven @mcnado I think that demeaning and insulting people while assuming you know their motives isn't a way to make friends.
The election was already lost. Flinging poo at people who could help you win the next time is not the action I would advise
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado It really isn't rocket science: vote principle in the primary, vote party in the general election. The first is how you keep Democrats honest and move them to the left. The second is how you keep outright fascists out of power.
@msbellows @benroyce @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado I want to smack peoples’ heads together and remind them that you can’t make up for a huge Overton window debt in one election any more than I can spend one grueling day at the gym to make up for months of inactivity, and no amount of not voting/exercising while dreaming of a better and increasingly distant future helps.
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@JakeKb @roger @Netraven @mcnado
jake:
duverger's law
it's not corruption, it's just math
you come from another voting system where 3rd party is easy
that is not the way it is in the usa
you don't understand that
but you continue to argue from ignorance, and you are helping MAGA
PLEASE educate yourself and stop spreading lies to help MAGA
@benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado You didn't even read my comment. I make a simple argument from history that you can fight those systems with enough popular support, that is if you want to. We had an actual dictatorship in my country, supported by the US and we took it down. How? Through peoples movements, that how it works. You just don't want actual change that's the problem.
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@screwturn @benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @Netraven @mcnado I think that demeaning and insulting people while assuming you know their motives isn't a way to make friends.
The election was already lost. Flinging poo at people who could help you win the next time is not the action I would advise
@ATLeagle @screwturn @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @Netraven @mcnado
and coddling people who will invent any excuse to not vote is codependent enabling
we make an example of their broken dysfunctional "reasoning" and everyone else reading along can see how stupid and self-defeating they are
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@A_Minion @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
i feel the same way, we had victory in our hands, a new wave of opportunity was coming...
now that's gone & the US Treasury looted for the criminal oligarchs
@peachfront @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
People are so used to living in this 30 second bubble that they can't see much beyond. I've watched it for over 70 years. GOP got us here, screwed us all the way. 4 of the last 5 GOP presidents has had to cheat to "win" the election. Nixon mated the GOP to fundy xtians, Reagan added the corporations, wealth & changed too many laws, while working with Iranians. I'm an independent & can see only too well what we have blown off. -
@benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado You didn't even read my comment. I make a simple argument from history that you can fight those systems with enough popular support, that is if you want to. We had an actual dictatorship in my country, supported by the US and we took it down. How? Through peoples movements, that how it works. You just don't want actual change that's the problem.
@JakeKb @roger @Netraven @mcnado
jake i don't know how to say it to you: you're ignorant. you're pridefully ignorant. will you please read the link on duverger's law
we CAN have stable viable third parties in the usa if we get ranked choice voting which is creeping in
until then your entire rationale is only activley helping MAGA win
will you please fucking think, read, understand, and then comment on a topic you currently do NOT understand
math does not lie jake
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@ATLeagle @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
well we don't follow each other, so there's no association
and we will never have 3rd parties in the USA as long as we have FPTP voting. we need ranked choice to make 3rd parties possible
3rd party talk is a self-destructive "solution" that divides the left vote, in FPTP, and so in reality only helps MAGA win
so please, by all means continue not associating your ignorance about the US voting system with me
@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado blocked , asshole .
Keep flinging poo
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@ATLeagle @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
well we don't follow each other, so there's no association
and we will never have 3rd parties in the USA as long as we have FPTP voting. we need ranked choice to make 3rd parties possible
3rd party talk is a self-destructive "solution" that divides the left vote, in FPTP, and so in reality only helps MAGA win
so please, by all means continue not associating your ignorance about the US voting system with me
@ATLeagle @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
mark, i'm not sure being blocked by an ignorant who thinks 3rd party will do anything other than divide the left and help MAGA win, and an ignorant who champions codependent enabling by coddling nonvoters which only means they continue their self-destructive behavior, is a problem
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@benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado That's not really an argument. You can fight against the 2 party system, you can even fight to dismantle the 2 party system and go for proportional representation. Other countries had 2 party systems and dismantled them. You choose not to and you end up with the same policies. I understand perfectly well that it is not easy, but telling me that this is the only way is what is actually defeatist.
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@screwturn @benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @Netraven @mcnado I think that demeaning and insulting people while assuming you know their motives isn't a way to make friends.
The election was already lost. Flinging poo at people who could help you win the next time is not the action I would advise
Again, how does this push anyone away from voting?
I didn't assume anything. They stated right out that not voting was better than voting for Biden, etc.
Should I admire their rectitude and their pristine and perfect morals, or should I rather point out that not voting brings us the worst of all options?
Should I agree that, wow, thank goodness Kamala didn't come in because would she have been terrible and have started wars and caused widespread destruction?
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado blocked , asshole .
Keep flinging poo
What's the alternative, Mark?
Praise them?
Ignore them?What?
