Nothing gives Israel a special right to invade neighbors, bulldoze their homes, and create a DMZ.
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@benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado You are definitely not fixing the world by voting for democrats. Same bombs will fall on the same people and the same elites will keep profiting. If you are willing to throw everyone outside the US under the bus just to get some sense of normality within your country, then we don't have the same goals.
@JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado yes, an not voting is going so well? You really made the world so much safer staying home? Palestine is free? You refuse to listen to Ben's clear plan to use the existing *clearly flawed* political machinery to drag the Overton window to the left. Good lord, no one has said the democratic party is going to magically fix the world.
Sulking is just obeying in advance. You're either a troll or willfully ignorant.
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A magical garden gnome wasn't on the ballot. The ballot doesn't have a Refusenik "neither" option.
Millions of people who would have voted left, didn't vote, and now we have this - which is a whole bunch worse than if Kamala had come in.
@screwturn @Kierkegaanks @benroyce @Netraven @JakeKb @mcnado @Pine_Affinity
Where is the "none of the above" button. '. . .
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@benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado You are definitely not fixing the world by voting for democrats. Same bombs will fall on the same people and the same elites will keep profiting. If you are willing to throw everyone outside the US under the bus just to get some sense of normality within your country, then we don't have the same goals.
@JakeKb @benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado once again for the slow folks at the back of the class.
A *vote* is just a snapshot. If there are only two options. A. Fascist and B. Almost Fascist you use that vote and vote for B.
When A. wins, all is lost. When B. wins, it sucks. But then you have 1460 days until the next election. And maybe it will take several times 1460 days. That sucks even more.
But losing it all to fascism cannot be tolerated.
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@Pine_Affinity @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
you take your anger at the dnc, and you use it to convince yourself to do nothing
rather than use that rightful anger to show the fuck up and replace them
do you see how you delude yourself?
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@Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
that's well established you don't feel anything
you don't care if we are under fascism
because you're entitled
won't affect you. fuck women, healthcare, the climate, trans people, immigrants, etc
you don't fucking care
as long as you get to sit in your hermetically sealed ivory tower and feel superior
that's all that's important to you
that is why you justify not voting. to vote means admitting you matter to reality
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@screwturn @Kierkegaanks @benroyce @Netraven @JakeKb @mcnado @Pine_Affinity
Where is the "none of the above" button. '. . .
Yup there is none.
Just like there is no "cast them all into a volcano" optionWould that there was, but there isn't
What you get is the optician's exam - Is 1 better, or 2. 1 or 2. If you stand away and don't choose, you get shitty spectacles, not the magical ones you imagine, not do your eyes suddenly improve on their own.
@Kierkegaanks @benroyce @Netraven @JakeKb @mcnado @Pine_Affinity
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@benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado You are definitely not fixing the world by voting for democrats. Same bombs will fall on the same people and the same elites will keep profiting. If you are willing to throw everyone outside the US under the bus just to get some sense of normality within your country, then we don't have the same goals.
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@Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
how many times have i written "show up in the primaries"
do you understand what a primary is?
how did we get mamdani?
was it because of people like you going "nothing changes. waah. everything sucks and then you die. waah"
or was it from people voting?
@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado I suggest looking through Nick Power’s videos on YouTube or IG. He has done so many with with regards to voting and importance of showing up the primaries, with actual stats backing up his statements, but here’s one addressing “Dems are the same as GOP.”
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@JakeKb @benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado once again for the slow folks at the back of the class.
A *vote* is just a snapshot. If there are only two options. A. Fascist and B. Almost Fascist you use that vote and vote for B.
When A. wins, all is lost. When B. wins, it sucks. But then you have 1460 days until the next election. And maybe it will take several times 1460 days. That sucks even more.
But losing it all to fascism cannot be tolerated.
@JakeKb @benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado But people prefer to sit on their arse for 1460 days and then go "Oh LoOk BoTh SiDeS BaD So i WoN't VoTe" and then post cynical dreck on Social Media about how "rotten" "the system" is, and repeat that self defeating shit every 4 years. What is rotten is your self indulgent self pitying apathetic mush for brains.
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@Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
right
and with trump we get what?
oh i see: you expect perfection
and if you don't get it: well then fuck palestinians even worse with trump?
as long as your precious impotent sense of perfection is untouched by the call to do something, because doing something is imperfect
*it's always imperfect*
you're fine with trump. you're fine with fascism. you're fine with genocide
because perfect isn't on the menu
fragile immaturity
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@JakeKb @benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado once again for the slow folks at the back of the class.
A *vote* is just a snapshot. If there are only two options. A. Fascist and B. Almost Fascist you use that vote and vote for B.
When A. wins, all is lost. When B. wins, it sucks. But then you have 1460 days until the next election. And maybe it will take several times 1460 days. That sucks even more.
But losing it all to fascism cannot be tolerated.
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@Pine_Affinity you’re blocked can’t even bother to vote gtfo
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No, I’m arguing against throwing your vote away on the corrupt and irredeemable Democratic Party.
@Pine_Affinity @benroyce @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado @ Pine: You’re arguing in favor of fascism and Trump by telling everyone not to vote for the only viable option that exists in the US against the orange shitgibbon and his fascist party.
If you’re from the US and you didn’t vote for Kamala, you helped Trump and his fascists take over. In that case this is all on you. You should be ashamed.
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@JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado yes, an not voting is going so well? You really made the world so much safer staying home? Palestine is free? You refuse to listen to Ben's clear plan to use the existing *clearly flawed* political machinery to drag the Overton window to the left. Good lord, no one has said the democratic party is going to magically fix the world.
Sulking is just obeying in advance. You're either a troll or willfully ignorant.
@roger @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I am not an American so to me there is no difference which president sends the bombs. What I do know is that historically fascism is defeated on the streets, not the ballot box. If all you can do politically is vote for the least worst option, you will always end up in this point just later. Why can't you channel all that energy instead to build something for yourselves, not controlled by big money and actually by the people?
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@hakona @JakeKb @benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado Exactly. And the stronger you feel the more you should feel compelled to canvas, support, work your arse off for those candidates that DO deserve your support. And in your 2 party system such candidates have no choice but to present themselves as "GOP" or Dem.
A third party CAN be created but the amount of effort to pull THAT off would be gargantuan. Don't expect to see the fruits of THAT effort in your lifetime if you're over 40.
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado I suggest looking through Nick Power’s videos on YouTube or IG. He has done so many with with regards to voting and importance of showing up the primaries, with actual stats backing up his statements, but here’s one addressing “Dems are the same as GOP.”
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@Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
No, those who didn't vote brought us to this moment. Had people paid attention things would have been far from here. Biden/Harris had us in a place that would have rebuilt the economy between WWII and 1970's. Unions back in strength, if you look at the 5 bills that trump doesn't dare allow you'll see what I'm saying. Ignorance & not paying attention is what brought us here. GOP has been fighting for this for 75 years. B/H almost got it back in 4years.@A_Minion @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @nek
Biden's America had the best economic recovery from covid in the WORLD, even after we had the worst death rate (& probably the worst long-term health damage) from the pandemic
he was an amazing POTUS who made amazing strides so...
this had to be stopped by the relentless forces of negativity
some times i wonder if humanity deserves to survive if our greatest talent is our gift to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
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@Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
right
and with trump we get what?
oh i see: you expect perfection
and if you don't get it: well then fuck palestinians even worse with trump?
as long as your precious impotent sense of perfection is untouched by the call to do something, because doing something is imperfect
*it's always imperfect*
you're fine with trump. you're fine with fascism. you're fine with genocide
because perfect isn't on the menu
fragile immaturity
Pretty sure "anything that isn't perfect, is shit" is an actual form of demonic possession. Poop-head Demon infestation. Or maybe worms in the brain.
One or the otherOr maybe just entitled pretentious arseholery
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@roger @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I am not an American so to me there is no difference which president sends the bombs. What I do know is that historically fascism is defeated on the streets, not the ballot box. If all you can do politically is vote for the least worst option, you will always end up in this point just later. Why can't you channel all that energy instead to build something for yourselves, not controlled by big money and actually by the people?
@JakeKb @roger @Netraven @mcnado
jake, i already responded to this lie of yours
please read
please educate yourself
*then* comment on a topic you currently do not understand
do not continue posting the same lie over and over again, and helping MAGA win, which is what your current attitude argues for
ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (@benroyce@mastodon.social)
@JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @Netraven@hear-me.social @mcnado@mstdn.social a 3rd party divides the left vote and ensures MAGA domination we need to take over the democrats. i don't like it. it's just the most feasible option the problem with international observers like yourself is you come from a different voting system the usa is FPTP meaning there will only ever be 2 parties (we need RCV to fix that) it's not corruption, it's math educate yourself before commenting on the matter next time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
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