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Replying to Uta Frith's views, one by one.

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  • curiousmagpie@beige.partyC curiousmagpie@beige.party

    @KatyElphinstone I never get over how people can shock me - which I guess says something good about me πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™€οΈ

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    @CuriousMagpie

    Ditto. I would actually not recommend listening to the podcast. It's just awful.

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    • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

      @CuriousMagpie

      Ditto. I would actually not recommend listening to the podcast. It's just awful.

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      @KatyElphinstone thanks - everything feels overwhelming these days. I appreciate the ways you keep us informed.

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      • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

        Replying to Uta Frith's views, one by one.

        With thanks to all the members of the autistic community who've informed me & inspired me to write this thread.

        For those lucky not to know about her article in The Times, and various other related statements, links at the end.

        CW: it's upsetting 😟

        A thread 🧡

        #UtaFrith #Research #Autism #Autistic #ActuallyAutistic #Neurodivergent

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        @KatyElphinstone
        .
        I find the "We need subtypes," idea a bit funny - we need more spectra 😜

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          @adelinej

          Oops I missed that! Going back now....

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            @adelinej

            No....I think not. The link you sent was brilliant ☺️

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            • curiousmagpie@beige.partyC curiousmagpie@beige.party

              @KatyElphinstone thanks - everything feels overwhelming these days. I appreciate the ways you keep us informed.

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              @CuriousMagpie

              Hm I think I should add to the beginning of the thread that is quite upsetting... A CW.

              I probably should have done that to start with! Sorry about that 😟

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              • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                @adelinej

                Oops I missed that! Going back now....

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                @adelinej

                Thank you for everything πŸ™

                I've also added a proper content warning at the beginning of the thread now.

                Thanks to the post on your page that told me how to do it πŸ’Ÿ

                Apologies as I should've thought of that - after all, I found it upsetting 😒

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                • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                  @adelinej

                  Thank you for everything πŸ™

                  I've also added a proper content warning at the beginning of the thread now.

                  Thanks to the post on your page that told me how to do it πŸ’Ÿ

                  Apologies as I should've thought of that - after all, I found it upsetting 😒

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                  @KatyElphinstone @adelinej These "theory of mind" types seem to be fighting a long bitter retreat. But they seem to be fighting it in the right wing press, as the scientific world has moved on.

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                  • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                    The Times article: https://www.tes.com/magazine/teaching-learning/general/uta-frith-interview-autism-not-spectrum

                    Her podcast with Naomi Fisher: https://substack.com/@naomicfisher/note/p-189989936?r=ql236

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                    @KatyElphinstone thank you for doing this point by point. I read her article and I was incensed!

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                    • arisummerland@beige.partyA arisummerland@beige.party

                      @KatyElphinstone thank you for doing this point by point. I read her article and I was incensed!

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                      @arisummerland

                      Wasn't it awful?! 😟

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                      • seconduniverse@autistics.lifeS seconduniverse@autistics.life

                        @KatyElphinstone @adelinej These "theory of mind" types seem to be fighting a long bitter retreat. But they seem to be fighting it in the right wing press, as the scientific world has moved on.

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                        @SecondUniverse

                        True 😊
                        And that's a good point.

                        @adelinej

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                        • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                          Replying to Uta Frith's views, one by one.

                          With thanks to all the members of the autistic community who've informed me & inspired me to write this thread.

                          For those lucky not to know about her article in The Times, and various other related statements, links at the end.

                          CW: it's upsetting 😟

                          A thread 🧡

                          #UtaFrith #Research #Autism #Autistic #ActuallyAutistic #Neurodivergent

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                          @KatyElphinstone

                          Thank you for this. I was FURIOUS when I read her article. She clearly thinks that the lived experience is purely anecdotal.

                          I was only diagnosed 2 months ago and this sort of article will only get in the way when I tell certain family members.

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                          • seconduniverse@autistics.lifeS seconduniverse@autistics.life

                            @KatyElphinstone @adelinej These "theory of mind" types seem to be fighting a long bitter retreat. But they seem to be fighting it in the right wing press, as the scientific world has moved on.

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                            @SecondUniverse @KatyElphinstone @adelinej Why do these highly-educated academics always get Theory of Mind wrong? ToM is not the ability to read minds. It is the awareness that other individuals have their own thoughts and perceptions that will be different from your own, not the ability to know what those are.

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                            • joshsusser@autistics.lifeJ joshsusser@autistics.life

                              @SecondUniverse @KatyElphinstone @adelinej Why do these highly-educated academics always get Theory of Mind wrong? ToM is not the ability to read minds. It is the awareness that other individuals have their own thoughts and perceptions that will be different from your own, not the ability to know what those are.

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                              @joshsusser @KatyElphinstone @adelinej What they actually mean is the the autistic person does not have a mind. Sure they can think but they lack the essential "puzzle piece" that would make them human.

                              The Theory of Mind researcher doesn't have a theory of mind about their autistic research subjects.

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                              • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                                Replying to Uta Frith's views, one by one.

                                With thanks to all the members of the autistic community who've informed me & inspired me to write this thread.

                                For those lucky not to know about her article in The Times, and various other related statements, links at the end.

                                CW: it's upsetting 😟

                                A thread 🧡

                                #UtaFrith #Research #Autism #Autistic #ActuallyAutistic #Neurodivergent

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                                @KatyElphinstone Prof. Uta is a disease

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                                • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                                  Her view: We can't have this many autistic people because it’ll overload the system.

                                  Reply: This makes it plain that it's the people who serve the system, and not the other way around. Maybe society should be structured so that all people's needs are met, instead?

                                  ⬇️

                                  #UtaFrith #Research #Neurodiversity

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                                  @KatyElphinstone THIS. πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯

                                  Thank you

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                                  • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                                    Her view: We can't have this many autistic people because it’ll overload the system.

                                    Reply: This makes it plain that it's the people who serve the system, and not the other way around. Maybe society should be structured so that all people's needs are met, instead?

                                    ⬇️

                                    #UtaFrith #Research #Neurodiversity

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                                    @KatyElphinstone If the population changes then the systems built to serve it must change too.

                                    You don't change people to suit systems, you change systems to serve people. Always. Unconditionally.

                                    How are so many people just absolutely wrong?

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                                    • curiousmagpie@beige.partyC curiousmagpie@beige.party

                                      @KatyElphinstone I never get over how people can shock me - which I guess says something good about me πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™€οΈ

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                                      @CuriousMagpie @KatyElphinstone Just happened to me. I couldn’t be bothered to read Uta Frith’s article but just saw this.

                                      <https://www.aims-2-trials.eu/2026/03/10/roche-and-aims-2-trials-receives-eurordis-black-pearl-award-2026/>

                                      Disgusted. This world is really upside down.

                                      (For a rather different understanding see my page <https://gizmonaut.net/autism-documents/>)

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                                      • petraphoenix@beige.partyP petraphoenix@beige.party

                                        @KatyElphinstone

                                        Thank you for this. I was FURIOUS when I read her article. She clearly thinks that the lived experience is purely anecdotal.

                                        I was only diagnosed 2 months ago and this sort of article will only get in the way when I tell certain family members.

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                                        @PetraPhoenix

                                        Oh no! And yes, that's exactly my worry. That many people will now be invalidated by those close to them, having read the views of 'the expert' 🀨

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                                        • seconduniverse@autistics.lifeS seconduniverse@autistics.life

                                          @joshsusser @KatyElphinstone @adelinej What they actually mean is the the autistic person does not have a mind. Sure they can think but they lack the essential "puzzle piece" that would make them human.

                                          The Theory of Mind researcher doesn't have a theory of mind about their autistic research subjects.

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                                          @SecondUniverse

                                          Good point. The autistic subject must be dehumanized at all costs.
                                          Ironic.

                                          @joshsusser @adelinej

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