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Replying to Uta Frith's views, one by one.

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  • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

    It almost seems she's been rolled out as part of the Old Guard, to try to turn the tide.

    It saddens me that this article, and campaign in general, will do a lot of harm to many autistic people, in making sure they aren't taken seriously and won't get the support they need.

    An excellent commentary from the author of Embrace Autism: https://resiliencymentalhealth.com/2026/03/10/the-autism-spectrum/
    (Thanks to @adelinej for sharing this with me)

    Links below.

    ⬇️

    #UtaFrith #Research #AutismResearch

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    The Times article: https://www.tes.com/magazine/teaching-learning/general/uta-frith-interview-autism-not-spectrum

    Her podcast with Naomi Fisher: https://substack.com/@naomicfisher/note/p-189989936?r=ql236

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    • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

      Her view: Autism in women has gone too far.

      Reply: Interesting. Has freedom in women gone too far, too?

      _________

      Her view: We must categorise autism into smaller subgroups.

      Reply: Interesting also - a bit like how Hans Asperger did in Nazi Germany? I think, in this case, the purpose is to exclude a lot of people from the category "autism" and to divide the autistic community.

      ⬇️

      #Autism #Research #Neurodiversity

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      @KatyElphinstone 😱

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      • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

        Her view: Autism in women has gone too far.

        Reply: Interesting. Has freedom in women gone too far, too?

        _________

        Her view: We must categorise autism into smaller subgroups.

        Reply: Interesting also - a bit like how Hans Asperger did in Nazi Germany? I think, in this case, the purpose is to exclude a lot of people from the category "autism" and to divide the autistic community.

        ⬇️

        #Autism #Research #Neurodiversity

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        @KatyElphinstone The reason why Heil Hans only studied boys, is because he was focused on their potential usefulness to society. The girls with the same traits were considered not useful to society because he thought they couldn’t fulfill the “role of a woman”. So sexism and eugenics set the stage for the whole history of Autism. That was my most shocking takeaway from Off the spectrum, by Gina Rippon

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        • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

          @EndlessMason

          Thank you for making me laugh 😂

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          @KatyElphinstone
          As far as I can tell, that's what this thing is for

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            @adelinej

            No I hadn't seen this. It's excellent! I'll add this link to mine, as well.

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            • curiousmagpie@beige.partyC curiousmagpie@beige.party

              @KatyElphinstone 😱

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              @CuriousMagpie

              Right? Sorry as I know it's quite upsetting 😢

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              • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                @CuriousMagpie

                Right? Sorry as I know it's quite upsetting 😢

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                @KatyElphinstone I never get over how people can shock me - which I guess says something good about me 🤷🏻‍♀️

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                  @CynAq

                  Yes!! In fact, I'm kind of wondering if it's something akin to a last ditch attempt 🤷‍♀️

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                  • curiousmagpie@beige.partyC curiousmagpie@beige.party

                    @KatyElphinstone I never get over how people can shock me - which I guess says something good about me 🤷🏻‍♀️

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                    @CuriousMagpie

                    Ditto. I would actually not recommend listening to the podcast. It's just awful.

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                    • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                      @CuriousMagpie

                      Ditto. I would actually not recommend listening to the podcast. It's just awful.

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                      @KatyElphinstone thanks - everything feels overwhelming these days. I appreciate the ways you keep us informed.

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                      • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                        Replying to Uta Frith's views, one by one.

                        With thanks to all the members of the autistic community who've informed me & inspired me to write this thread.

                        For those lucky not to know about her article in The Times, and various other related statements, links at the end.

                        CW: it's upsetting 😟

                        A thread 🧵

                        #UtaFrith #Research #Autism #Autistic #ActuallyAutistic #Neurodivergent

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                        @KatyElphinstone
                        .
                        I find the "We need subtypes," idea a bit funny - we need more spectra 😜

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                          @adelinej

                          Oops I missed that! Going back now....

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                            @adelinej

                            No....I think not. The link you sent was brilliant ☺️

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                            • curiousmagpie@beige.partyC curiousmagpie@beige.party

                              @KatyElphinstone thanks - everything feels overwhelming these days. I appreciate the ways you keep us informed.

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                              @CuriousMagpie

                              Hm I think I should add to the beginning of the thread that is quite upsetting... A CW.

                              I probably should have done that to start with! Sorry about that 😟

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                              • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                                @adelinej

                                Oops I missed that! Going back now....

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                                @adelinej

                                Thank you for everything 🙏

                                I've also added a proper content warning at the beginning of the thread now.

                                Thanks to the post on your page that told me how to do it 💟

                                Apologies as I should've thought of that - after all, I found it upsetting 😢

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                                • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                                  @adelinej

                                  Thank you for everything 🙏

                                  I've also added a proper content warning at the beginning of the thread now.

                                  Thanks to the post on your page that told me how to do it 💟

                                  Apologies as I should've thought of that - after all, I found it upsetting 😢

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                                  @KatyElphinstone @adelinej These "theory of mind" types seem to be fighting a long bitter retreat. But they seem to be fighting it in the right wing press, as the scientific world has moved on.

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                                  • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                                    The Times article: https://www.tes.com/magazine/teaching-learning/general/uta-frith-interview-autism-not-spectrum

                                    Her podcast with Naomi Fisher: https://substack.com/@naomicfisher/note/p-189989936?r=ql236

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                                    @KatyElphinstone thank you for doing this point by point. I read her article and I was incensed!

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                                    • arisummerland@beige.partyA arisummerland@beige.party

                                      @KatyElphinstone thank you for doing this point by point. I read her article and I was incensed!

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                                      @arisummerland

                                      Wasn't it awful?! 😟

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                                      • seconduniverse@autistics.lifeS seconduniverse@autistics.life

                                        @KatyElphinstone @adelinej These "theory of mind" types seem to be fighting a long bitter retreat. But they seem to be fighting it in the right wing press, as the scientific world has moved on.

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                                        @SecondUniverse

                                        True 😊
                                        And that's a good point.

                                        @adelinej

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                                        • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                                          Replying to Uta Frith's views, one by one.

                                          With thanks to all the members of the autistic community who've informed me & inspired me to write this thread.

                                          For those lucky not to know about her article in The Times, and various other related statements, links at the end.

                                          CW: it's upsetting 😟

                                          A thread 🧵

                                          #UtaFrith #Research #Autism #Autistic #ActuallyAutistic #Neurodivergent

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                                          @KatyElphinstone

                                          Thank you for this. I was FURIOUS when I read her article. She clearly thinks that the lived experience is purely anecdotal.

                                          I was only diagnosed 2 months ago and this sort of article will only get in the way when I tell certain family members.

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