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Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 03 - 18 Feb - Ravières - Dijon - Culmont Chalindrey - Paris – Genève

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    Also Dijon - Culmont-Chalindrey train times 🫣

    Basically un-useable

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    🤯

    So @12train makes it clear

    The train is COMPULSORY RESERVATION

    AAAAGGGGHHHHH

    It’s a regional train for a 47 minute trip

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      🤯

      So @12train makes it clear

      The train is COMPULSORY RESERVATION

      AAAAGGGGHHHHH

      It’s a regional train for a 47 minute trip

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      Also how Dijon shows in @12train 🤬

      If TER Fluo (ie Grand Est) operates the train: Dijon Ville

      If TER Mobigo (ie Bourgogne Franche Comté) operates it: Dijon

      It’s the same station

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        Also how Dijon shows in @12train 🤬

        If TER Fluo (ie Grand Est) operates the train: Dijon Ville

        If TER Mobigo (ie Bourgogne Franche Comté) operates it: Dijon

        It’s the same station

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        And discovering this sort of total ridiculous shit is why there’s no substitute for going to the places and testing the trains on #CrossBorderRail

        You only *get this* once you’ve experienced it

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          SNCF Connect can’t help me work out if it’s compulsory reservation. By now I think it just assumes everyone thinks everything is.

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          @jon "You can board up to 2 minutes before departure" -- on a regional train!?

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            And discovering this sort of total ridiculous shit is why there’s no substitute for going to the places and testing the trains on #CrossBorderRail

            You only *get this* once you’ve experienced it

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            @jon It's a data failure. The 8:19 from Dijon to Culmont-Chalindrey is not reservation required, other trains from Culmont-Chalindrey are for the section Nogent-sur-Seine - Paris.

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              And discovering this sort of total ridiculous shit is why there’s no substitute for going to the places and testing the trains on #CrossBorderRail

              You only *get this* once you’ve experienced it

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              @jon I,m reading about this COMPULSORY RESERVATION. What is the idea behind this? Making more money or protecting something? I really don't understand this. Why not on all trains if it is important. Why this bullying off the travelers?

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                Also how Dijon shows in @12train 🤬

                If TER Fluo (ie Grand Est) operates the train: Dijon Ville

                If TER Mobigo (ie Bourgogne Franche Comté) operates it: Dijon

                It’s the same station

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                @jon @12train get the same with Edinburgh where some systems say "Edinburgh", others "Edinburgh (Waverley)", and I'm sure I've seen "Edinburgh (City Centre)" all refer to the same station. In my quick look at some apps it looks like the city centre variant isn't showing any more, but not all include the Waverley.

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                • smsm1@mastodon.greenS smsm1@mastodon.green

                  @jon @12train get the same with Edinburgh where some systems say "Edinburgh", others "Edinburgh (Waverley)", and I'm sure I've seen "Edinburgh (City Centre)" all refer to the same station. In my quick look at some apps it looks like the city centre variant isn't showing any more, but not all include the Waverley.

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                  @jon @12train oh, the issue is with Djon is within the same app and journey plan results list. Ok that's a lot worse that the Edinburgh issue which is at least consistent within each app.

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                  • smveerman@zug.networkS smveerman@zug.network

                    @jon It's a data failure. The 8:19 from Dijon to Culmont-Chalindrey is not reservation required, other trains from Culmont-Chalindrey are for the section Nogent-sur-Seine - Paris.

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                    @smveerman I will ask the train manager. I assume it’s because it’s a Coradia Liner and a train number in the series of Paris Est - Belfort. It’s not only an Interrail or Merits data problem.

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                    • bastro@maly.ioB bastro@maly.io

                      @jon I,m reading about this COMPULSORY RESERVATION. What is the idea behind this? Making more money or protecting something? I really don't understand this. Why not on all trains if it is important. Why this bullying off the travelers?

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                      @bastro the railway would work better if fewer passengers took it.

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                      • smveerman@zug.networkS smveerman@zug.network

                        @jon It's a data failure. The 8:19 from Dijon to Culmont-Chalindrey is not reservation required, other trains from Culmont-Chalindrey are for the section Nogent-sur-Seine - Paris.

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                        #23

                        @jon See the schedule, that has a note only for trains from/to Paris that a reservation is needed: https://ter-fiches-horaires.sncf.fr/publish/C04_Mulhouse%20Dijon%20Troyes%20Paris-Est_HIVER_semaine_(01022026au28022026)V3.pdf

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                        • smveerman@zug.networkS smveerman@zug.network

                          @jon See the schedule, that has a note only for trains from/to Paris that a reservation is needed: https://ter-fiches-horaires.sncf.fr/publish/C04_Mulhouse%20Dijon%20Troyes%20Paris-Est_HIVER_semaine_(01022026au28022026)V3.pdf

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                          @smveerman yes. But why if I book a ticket for it, is it asking me to choose a seat? Maybe I’m allowed to not do this, and I didn’t go through with the booking (obviously). At the very least it’s not well done.

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            @smveerman yes. But why if I book a ticket for it, is it asking me to choose a seat? Maybe I’m allowed to not do this, and I didn’t go through with the booking (obviously). At the very least it’s not well done.

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                            @jon The combination of train number and having no way to make a train only part of the way reservation only are reasons I guess. It's also a solution to a non-existing problem.

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                            • bastro@maly.ioB bastro@maly.io

                              @jon I,m reading about this COMPULSORY RESERVATION. What is the idea behind this? Making more money or protecting something? I really don't understand this. Why not on all trains if it is important. Why this bullying off the travelers?

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                              @bastro
                              I think she basic idea is to have everybody bring able to sit down?

                              @jon

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                              • julienw@pouet.chapril.orgJ julienw@pouet.chapril.org

                                @bastro
                                I think she basic idea is to have everybody bring able to sit down?

                                @jon

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                                @julienw @bastro it’s a REGIONAL TRAIN. You might rather get to your destination and stand. Better that than not getting there at all!

                                Ah sorry. I forgot. Who’d RELY on a regional train in France?

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  @julienw @bastro it’s a REGIONAL TRAIN. You might rather get to your destination and stand. Better that than not getting there at all!

                                  Ah sorry. I forgot. Who’d RELY on a regional train in France?

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                                  @jon
                                  Yeah I know
                                  @bastro

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    And discovering this sort of total ridiculous shit is why there’s no substitute for going to the places and testing the trains on #CrossBorderRail

                                    You only *get this* once you’ve experienced it

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                                    #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
                                    TER 39593
                                    08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
                                    SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

                                    Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
                                    ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
                                    🚲: ✅
                                    🦽: ✅ (step free)
                                    🛜: ⛔️
                                    🍽️: ⛔️
                                    🧳: 🙂
                                    🧽: 🙂
                                    Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

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                                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                      #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 6 of 80
                                      TER 39593
                                      08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06
                                      SNCF for TER Mobigo, TER Fluo Grand Est

                                      Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
                                      ⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac)
                                      🚲: ✅
                                      🦽: ✅ (step free)
                                      🛜: ⛔️
                                      🍽️: ⛔️
                                      🧳: 🙂
                                      🧽: 🙂
                                      Interrail: 🙂 (accepted) or 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70) - I don’t know yet!

                                      Link Preview Image
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                                      TER 39593
                                      08:19 Dijon Ville - Culmont Chalindrey 09:06

                                      Distance: 76.5km
                                      Average speed: 98km/h

                                      2 stops:
                                      Is-sur-Tille
                                      Culmont-Chalindrey

                                      This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#10/47.556140/5.234985

                                      #CrossBorderRail

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 03 - 18 Feb - Ravières - Dijon - Culmont Chalindrey - Paris – Genève

                                        New borders:
                                        None

                                        Borders already crossed:
                                        Russin 🇨🇭 - Pougny-Chancy 🇫🇷

                                        Today starts with a scenic detour en route to Paris – from Ravières via Dijon and Culmont Chalindrey onto the old main line through Troyes to Paris Est. Then an event at the Assemblée Nationale in Paris, and finally a TGV Lyria to Genève.

                                        Today's routes on the routes map:
                                        https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#8/47.519056/4.229736

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                                        @jon I hate to be that guy, but it’s Pougny-Chancy.

                                        Not to be confused with Pouilly, there was a station in Saint-Genis Pouilly on the former line from Collonges - Fort l'Écluse to Gex and then Nyon.

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          Also how Dijon shows in @12train 🤬

                                          If TER Fluo (ie Grand Est) operates the train: Dijon Ville

                                          If TER Mobigo (ie Bourgogne Franche Comté) operates it: Dijon

                                          It’s the same station

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                                          @jon @12train Aaalso.. why does SNCF use a different train number in their own channels than they report to international timetables? The leading 8 is only included in their own systems.

                                          (It’s marked as compulsory reservation in Merits too)

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