Nearly three-quarters (72%) of citizens agree: our union brings real benefits.

[ehrt74@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @RegGuy @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission yeah, there is a lot of inertia, and I think I've done enough derailing by mentioning it, so I'll leave it there.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@phl @jtb @EUCommission

"I got momentarily confused and accidentally ended up describing the Council(s) rather than the Commission"

i think i'll call this momentary harmless error on your part the Pauli exclusion principle

i'm sorry i'm just making a lame joke

i think this thread has run its course and i don't have a real problem with you and i appreciate you

but you have to admit the constant perfectionist shouting under ever EUCommission post is quite ridiculous and pointless

[aurochs@todon.eu]

@benroyce @phl @jtb @EUCommission The European Parliament is elected directly in the European Elections, the Commission is elected indirectly by those we elect nationally.
Screaming and Farraging "unnelected" is either disingenuous or stupid.
Should we directly elect the European Commission? Maybe yes, but don't even fucking suggest it is "antidemocratic "because those who put that idea in your head actually meant "supranational"

[jtb@toot.wales]

@aurochs @benroyce @phl @EUCommission "Screaming and Farraging"?? it gets worse.

[aurochs@todon.eu]

@jtb @benroyce @phl @EUCommission Sorry, I meant "Faraging", and yes, I made up that word.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@aurochs @EUCommission

you know what

@phl @jtb :

i agree with aurochs. i was trying to be generous but upon reflection your positions are deranged

democracy is about electing key players, it's not about electing every god damn bureaucrat in a system

the EU is democratic, because your vote flows from who you elect, to appoint the reps

this *is* democracy

asking people to elect every damned bureaucrat is not arguing for more democracy, it's arguing for madness

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@jtb @aurochs @phl @EUCommission

well then don't push lying "undemocratic!" angles that Farage would love then

[phl@mastodon.social]

@ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission Unfortunately there's no other language as widely understood across the EU as English is.
(and English remains an EU language because it is an official language of both Ireland and Malta)

But in any case, every publication happens in the official EU languages, of which there are many (and some major regional ones are woefully missing, eg. Catalan) — and IIRC Parliament members typically speak in their own language.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@aurochs @jtb @phl @EUCommission

if we can having Quisling, we can have Faraging

good word

[jtb@toot.wales]

@benroyce @aurochs @phl @EUCommission The commissioners are unelected, the commissioners write laws. The commissioners should be elected. You can disagree if you like, but calling people names doesn't add weight, it reduces it.

[ianmoore3000@mastodon.ie]

@ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission as a citizen of the one EU country that is primarily English speaking I cannot support this proposed downgrading of our fine language

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@jtb @aurochs @phl @EUCommission

Farage loves you and everything you're saying and doing

appointing bureaucrats is normal in every fucking democracy in the world

get off your fake fucking high horse

you are knowingly working right wing troll angles, or you're just that clueless you don't understand how that is all you are doing

consider the word "clueless" a conscious choice to call you a name

you have deserved the disrespect

[phl@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @jtb @aurochs @EUCommission There's a mile of a difference between Farage's bullshit (if not for anything else than that he applied the "unelected!!!1one" screech to every one of the EU officials) and saying that the unelected-because-they're-appointed-several-layers-down officials are not under our democratic control (changing my local rulers doesn't change the commissioners, and commissioners, as mentioned, do not even stand for their home country)

[richlv@mastodon.social]

@IanMoore3000 @ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission Surely this is just a ploy to get all the Gaeilge speakers on fedi to join this thread

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@phl @jtb @aurochs @EUCommission

enjoy the shouting then at an EU social media account on mastodon fruitlessly for your supposedly high minded effort, which, upon reflection, isn't exactly very high minded, is rather confused, and dovetails with right wing troll agendas

unintentionally

or intentionally? you tell me, friend

what a fucking joke

[ianmoore3000@mastodon.ie]

@richlv @ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission A chara, na caith tabac le do thoil.

[richlv@mastodon.social]

@IanMoore3000 @ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission Incorrect language set for the post

[aurochs@todon.eu]

@phl @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission They are appointed and ratified by directly elected people, you control them as much as you control those who elected them.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@aurochs @phl @jtb @EUCommission

thank you for showing up and clearing the air here

as an american i'm out of my depth, but i sense this perfectionist shouting for what it is, a right wing troll angle

and i allowed these two characters some leeway, but you have set me straight

fuck this psyop

whether these two character are authentic or not, it does not matter, the effect is the same: toxic idealism "from the left" only works for the right. unknowingly, or as a conscious troll effort

[aurochs@todon.eu]

@phl @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission I think (this is just my opinion) it is designed this way to force consensus between member states (such as "Hey, Mr. Orban, you accepted to appoin Von Der Leyen").