Nearly three-quarters (72%) of citizens agree: our union brings real benefits.
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@benroyce @phl @jtb @EUCommission The European Parliament is elected directly in the European Elections, the Commission is elected indirectly by those we elect nationally.
Screaming and Farraging "unnelected" is either disingenuous or stupid.
Should we directly elect the European Commission? Maybe yes, but don't even fucking suggest it is "antidemocratic "because those who put that idea in your head actually meant "supranational"you know what
i agree with aurochs. i was trying to be generous but upon reflection your positions are deranged
democracy is about electing key players, it's not about electing every god damn bureaucrat in a system
the EU is democratic, because your vote flows from who you elect, to appoint the reps
this *is* democracy
asking people to elect every damned bureaucrat is not arguing for more democracy, it's arguing for madness
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@aurochs @benroyce @phl @EUCommission "Screaming and Farraging"?? it gets worse.
@jtb @aurochs @phl @EUCommission
well then don't push lying "undemocratic!" angles that Farage would love then
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@RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission yeah, I'm a big fan of the EU
I'm happy to be a citizen in an EU country and to be part of this great peace project Is it perfect? No, I don't think so. But it's still a wonderful thing.
My main wish for the EU would be for it to abandon English as a language. Having English as the main language for intercommunication just tilts the playing field in the direction of the USA and UK.
@ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission Unfortunately there's no other language as widely understood across the EU as English is.
(and English remains an EU language because it is an official language of both Ireland and Malta)But in any case, every publication happens in the official EU languages, of which there are many (and some major regional ones are woefully missing, eg. Catalan) — and IIRC Parliament members typically speak in their own language.
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@jtb @benroyce @phl @EUCommission Sorry, I meant "Faraging", and yes, I made up that word.
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@jtb @aurochs @phl @EUCommission
well then don't push lying "undemocratic!" angles that Farage would love then
@benroyce @aurochs @phl @EUCommission The commissioners are unelected, the commissioners write laws. The commissioners should be elected. You can disagree if you like, but calling people names doesn't add weight, it reduces it.
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@RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission yeah, I'm a big fan of the EU
I'm happy to be a citizen in an EU country and to be part of this great peace project Is it perfect? No, I don't think so. But it's still a wonderful thing.
My main wish for the EU would be for it to abandon English as a language. Having English as the main language for intercommunication just tilts the playing field in the direction of the USA and UK.
@ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission as a citizen of the one EU country that is primarily English speaking I cannot support this proposed downgrading of our fine language
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@benroyce @aurochs @phl @EUCommission The commissioners are unelected, the commissioners write laws. The commissioners should be elected. You can disagree if you like, but calling people names doesn't add weight, it reduces it.
@jtb @aurochs @phl @EUCommission
Farage loves you and everything you're saying and doing
appointing bureaucrats is normal in every fucking democracy in the world
get off your fake fucking high horse
you are knowingly working right wing troll angles, or you're just that clueless you don't understand how that is all you are doing
consider the word "clueless" a conscious choice to call you a name
you have deserved the disrespect
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@jtb @aurochs @phl @EUCommission
well then don't push lying "undemocratic!" angles that Farage would love then
@benroyce @jtb @aurochs @EUCommission There's a mile of a difference between Farage's bullshit (if not for anything else than that he applied the "unelected!!!1one" screech to every one of the EU officials) and saying that the unelected-because-they're-appointed-several-layers-down officials are not under our democratic control (changing my local rulers doesn't change the commissioners, and commissioners, as mentioned, do not even stand for their home country)
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@ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission as a citizen of the one EU country that is primarily English speaking I cannot support this proposed downgrading of our fine language
@IanMoore3000 @ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission Surely this is just a ploy to get all the Gaeilge speakers on fedi to join this thread
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@benroyce @jtb @aurochs @EUCommission There's a mile of a difference between Farage's bullshit (if not for anything else than that he applied the "unelected!!!1one" screech to every one of the EU officials) and saying that the unelected-because-they're-appointed-several-layers-down officials are not under our democratic control (changing my local rulers doesn't change the commissioners, and commissioners, as mentioned, do not even stand for their home country)
@phl @jtb @aurochs @EUCommission
enjoy the shouting then at an EU social media account on mastodon fruitlessly for your supposedly high minded effort, which, upon reflection, isn't exactly very high minded, is rather confused, and dovetails with right wing troll agendas
unintentionally
or intentionally? you tell me, friend
what a fucking joke
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@IanMoore3000 @ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission Surely this is just a ploy to get all the Gaeilge speakers on fedi to join this thread
@richlv @ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission A chara, na caith tabac le do thoil.
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@richlv @ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission A chara, na caith tabac le do thoil.
@IanMoore3000 @ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission Incorrect language set for the post
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@benroyce @jtb @aurochs @EUCommission There's a mile of a difference between Farage's bullshit (if not for anything else than that he applied the "unelected!!!1one" screech to every one of the EU officials) and saying that the unelected-because-they're-appointed-several-layers-down officials are not under our democratic control (changing my local rulers doesn't change the commissioners, and commissioners, as mentioned, do not even stand for their home country)
@phl @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission They are appointed and ratified by directly elected people, you control them as much as you control those who elected them.
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@phl @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission They are appointed and ratified by directly elected people, you control them as much as you control those who elected them.
@aurochs @phl @jtb @EUCommission
thank you for showing up and clearing the air here
as an american i'm out of my depth, but i sense this perfectionist shouting for what it is, a right wing troll angle
and i allowed these two characters some leeway, but you have set me straight
fuck this psyop
whether these two character are authentic or not, it does not matter, the effect is the same: toxic idealism "from the left" only works for the right. unknowingly, or as a conscious troll effort
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@phl @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission They are appointed and ratified by directly elected people, you control them as much as you control those who elected them.
@phl @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission I think (this is just my opinion) it is designed this way to force consensus between member states (such as "Hey, Mr. Orban, you accepted to appoin Von Der Leyen").
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@aurochs @phl @jtb @EUCommission
thank you for showing up and clearing the air here
as an american i'm out of my depth, but i sense this perfectionist shouting for what it is, a right wing troll angle
and i allowed these two characters some leeway, but you have set me straight
fuck this psyop
whether these two character are authentic or not, it does not matter, the effect is the same: toxic idealism "from the left" only works for the right. unknowingly, or as a conscious troll effort
@benroyce @aurochs @jtb @EUCommission Yes, this is surely all a perfectionist hypercritical faragist anti-eu psyop, something that definitely exists and us two are either victims of it or, horror, actual perfectionist hypercritical faragist any-eu psyop agents even! Very realistic, and doesn't at all ignore every single god damned detail we more or less patiently discussed and argued with you.
What the everloving crap was the point yapping here for two hours if you didn't understand a word.
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@benroyce @aurochs @jtb @EUCommission Yes, this is surely all a perfectionist hypercritical faragist anti-eu psyop, something that definitely exists and us two are either victims of it or, horror, actual perfectionist hypercritical faragist any-eu psyop agents even! Very realistic, and doesn't at all ignore every single god damned detail we more or less patiently discussed and argued with you.
What the everloving crap was the point yapping here for two hours if you didn't understand a word.
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@paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission
The reason they didn't post it is because the report you cite is not from the European Commission.
Please learn to read before throwing accusations around.
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@richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission
as an american i'm looking at the collection of thinly veiled right wing trolls and hypercritical toxic idealists responding here
and i recognize it well
because it was these social media voices that helped kill the usa
people don't understand what they have until they lose it
all they seem to have is an extreme sense of entitlement to *demand* perfect now. and little understanding of what it takes to *work* towards better
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@jmaris @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission
every time i see EUCommission post, i see sordid displays of toxic idealism in reply
i need to get out my popcorn every time
people really need to understand that shouting into the void for perfection is not morality, nor the basis of a valid post
replying to social media accounts of govt agencies with unhinged hypercriticism is meaningless dopamine hits for the ego only
if they want *better* (fuck perfect) then do *real work* for that
