Nearly three-quarters (72%) of citizens agree: our union brings real benefits.
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@benroyce @phl @EUCommission Perhaps you should have led by asking me if I vote. The rest of it was a waste of time. I am not going to stop expressing my views on social media just because you are going on and on at me, characterising what I said as shouting and screaming. It was a counter-productive ploy on your part.
there are people who vote who still push the "demand perfect now, don't get it, therefore don't vote" psyop angle
they are doing the right thing, yet they give voice to the effect that stops others from doing the right thing
again i have zero problem with you if you vote. i am still allowed to point out out that perfectionist shouting at social media accounts that can't do anything is pointless
but don't listen to me, listen to a european:
Rihards Olups (@richlv@mastodon.social)
@paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu Just a quick note - if you care, call commissioners. Don't harass people who manage social media, especially the ones who manage Masto!
Mastodon (mastodon.social)
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@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission For the dozenth time, none of the comments in this conversation, and from what I've last seen none of the comments under the post demand perfection.
why don't you look at the sordid array of perfectionist shouting that always seem to reply whenever EUCommission posts, and tell me i'm misfiring here again
look at the reply above that i responded to that started this whole back and forth, its tenor, and tell me that again
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@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission Sure, it's the elected heads of states, and in the other council the ministers appointed by said elected heads of states, but that's just way too many layers — I don't think we can say we have any say in the matter.
Would you say that you, under any US president, have any kind of influence over who your Secretaries are and what they represent? And what they'd represent in an international formation with other Secretaries/Ministers?
@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission (Admission: I got momentarily confused and accidentally ended up describing the Council(s) rather than the Commission. The Commissioners are, however, just as multiple-layers-away as are one's secretaries/ministers, if not more, so saying you have influence on what they represent and what they stand for in particular issues is just as bold as saying the same about a sec/min. Importantly, Commissioners are chosen to represent EU and not their country.)
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@RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission yeah, I'm a big fan of the EU
I'm happy to be a citizen in an EU country and to be part of this great peace project Is it perfect? No, I don't think so. But it's still a wonderful thing.
My main wish for the EU would be for it to abandon English as a language. Having English as the main language for intercommunication just tilts the playing field in the direction of the USA and UK.
@ehrt74 @RegGuy @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission
i think that's just an unfortunate aspect of history
you could pick another language, but then there's more effort involved
since english is more well understood than any other language in terms of second language adoption in many countries
i'm not supporting the status quo. fuck english
but i'm just saying there's a heavy inertia here
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@ehrt74 @RegGuy @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission
i think that's just an unfortunate aspect of history
you could pick another language, but then there's more effort involved
since english is more well understood than any other language in terms of second language adoption in many countries
i'm not supporting the status quo. fuck english
but i'm just saying there's a heavy inertia here
@benroyce @RegGuy @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission yeah, there is a lot of inertia, and I think I've done enough derailing by mentioning it, so I'll leave it there.
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@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission (Admission: I got momentarily confused and accidentally ended up describing the Council(s) rather than the Commission. The Commissioners are, however, just as multiple-layers-away as are one's secretaries/ministers, if not more, so saying you have influence on what they represent and what they stand for in particular issues is just as bold as saying the same about a sec/min. Importantly, Commissioners are chosen to represent EU and not their country.)
"I got momentarily confused and accidentally ended up describing the Council(s) rather than the Commission"
i think i'll call this momentary harmless error on your part the Pauli exclusion principle
i'm sorry i'm just making a lame joke
i think this thread has run its course and i don't have a real problem with you and i appreciate you
but you have to admit the constant perfectionist shouting under ever EUCommission post is quite ridiculous and pointless
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right: they are appointed by people you elect
so...
look, criticize all you want. demand better. but work for it, don't just screech online
take it from this american: toxic idealist entitled demands don't achieve anything, and are often a right wing cosplay to redirect attention
the kind of replies i see under the top account i always recognize as the sort of hypercritical perfectionism that led the usa to where it is today
@benroyce @phl @jtb @EUCommission The European Parliament is elected directly in the European Elections, the Commission is elected indirectly by those we elect nationally.
Screaming and Farraging "unnelected" is either disingenuous or stupid.
Should we directly elect the European Commission? Maybe yes, but don't even fucking suggest it is "antidemocratic "because those who put that idea in your head actually meant "supranational" -
@benroyce @phl @jtb @EUCommission The European Parliament is elected directly in the European Elections, the Commission is elected indirectly by those we elect nationally.
Screaming and Farraging "unnelected" is either disingenuous or stupid.
Should we directly elect the European Commission? Maybe yes, but don't even fucking suggest it is "antidemocratic "because those who put that idea in your head actually meant "supranational"@aurochs @benroyce @phl @EUCommission "Screaming and Farraging"?? it gets worse.
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@aurochs @benroyce @phl @EUCommission "Screaming and Farraging"?? it gets worse.
@jtb @benroyce @phl @EUCommission Sorry, I meant "Faraging", and yes, I made up that word.
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@benroyce @phl @jtb @EUCommission The European Parliament is elected directly in the European Elections, the Commission is elected indirectly by those we elect nationally.
Screaming and Farraging "unnelected" is either disingenuous or stupid.
Should we directly elect the European Commission? Maybe yes, but don't even fucking suggest it is "antidemocratic "because those who put that idea in your head actually meant "supranational"you know what
i agree with aurochs. i was trying to be generous but upon reflection your positions are deranged
democracy is about electing key players, it's not about electing every god damn bureaucrat in a system
the EU is democratic, because your vote flows from who you elect, to appoint the reps
this *is* democracy
asking people to elect every damned bureaucrat is not arguing for more democracy, it's arguing for madness
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@aurochs @benroyce @phl @EUCommission "Screaming and Farraging"?? it gets worse.
@jtb @aurochs @phl @EUCommission
well then don't push lying "undemocratic!" angles that Farage would love then
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@RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission yeah, I'm a big fan of the EU
I'm happy to be a citizen in an EU country and to be part of this great peace project Is it perfect? No, I don't think so. But it's still a wonderful thing.
My main wish for the EU would be for it to abandon English as a language. Having English as the main language for intercommunication just tilts the playing field in the direction of the USA and UK.
@ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission Unfortunately there's no other language as widely understood across the EU as English is.
(and English remains an EU language because it is an official language of both Ireland and Malta)But in any case, every publication happens in the official EU languages, of which there are many (and some major regional ones are woefully missing, eg. Catalan) — and IIRC Parliament members typically speak in their own language.
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@jtb @benroyce @phl @EUCommission Sorry, I meant "Faraging", and yes, I made up that word.
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@jtb @aurochs @phl @EUCommission
well then don't push lying "undemocratic!" angles that Farage would love then
@benroyce @aurochs @phl @EUCommission The commissioners are unelected, the commissioners write laws. The commissioners should be elected. You can disagree if you like, but calling people names doesn't add weight, it reduces it.
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@RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission yeah, I'm a big fan of the EU
I'm happy to be a citizen in an EU country and to be part of this great peace project Is it perfect? No, I don't think so. But it's still a wonderful thing.
My main wish for the EU would be for it to abandon English as a language. Having English as the main language for intercommunication just tilts the playing field in the direction of the USA and UK.
@ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission as a citizen of the one EU country that is primarily English speaking I cannot support this proposed downgrading of our fine language
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@benroyce @aurochs @phl @EUCommission The commissioners are unelected, the commissioners write laws. The commissioners should be elected. You can disagree if you like, but calling people names doesn't add weight, it reduces it.
@jtb @aurochs @phl @EUCommission
Farage loves you and everything you're saying and doing
appointing bureaucrats is normal in every fucking democracy in the world
get off your fake fucking high horse
you are knowingly working right wing troll angles, or you're just that clueless you don't understand how that is all you are doing
consider the word "clueless" a conscious choice to call you a name
you have deserved the disrespect
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@jtb @aurochs @phl @EUCommission
well then don't push lying "undemocratic!" angles that Farage would love then
@benroyce @jtb @aurochs @EUCommission There's a mile of a difference between Farage's bullshit (if not for anything else than that he applied the "unelected!!!1one" screech to every one of the EU officials) and saying that the unelected-because-they're-appointed-several-layers-down officials are not under our democratic control (changing my local rulers doesn't change the commissioners, and commissioners, as mentioned, do not even stand for their home country)
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@ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission as a citizen of the one EU country that is primarily English speaking I cannot support this proposed downgrading of our fine language
@IanMoore3000 @ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission Surely this is just a ploy to get all the Gaeilge speakers on fedi to join this thread
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@benroyce @jtb @aurochs @EUCommission There's a mile of a difference between Farage's bullshit (if not for anything else than that he applied the "unelected!!!1one" screech to every one of the EU officials) and saying that the unelected-because-they're-appointed-several-layers-down officials are not under our democratic control (changing my local rulers doesn't change the commissioners, and commissioners, as mentioned, do not even stand for their home country)
@phl @jtb @aurochs @EUCommission
enjoy the shouting then at an EU social media account on mastodon fruitlessly for your supposedly high minded effort, which, upon reflection, isn't exactly very high minded, is rather confused, and dovetails with right wing troll agendas
unintentionally
or intentionally? you tell me, friend
what a fucking joke
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@IanMoore3000 @ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission Surely this is just a ploy to get all the Gaeilge speakers on fedi to join this thread
@richlv @ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission A chara, na caith tabac le do thoil.
