Nearly three-quarters (72%) of citizens agree: our union brings real benefits.

[phl@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission For the dozenth time, none of the comments in this conversation, and from what I've last seen none of the comments under the post demand perfection.

[ehrt74@mastodon.social]

@RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission yeah, I'm a big fan of the EU I'm happy to be a citizen in an EU country and to be part of this great peace project

Is it perfect? No, I don't think so. But it's still a wonderful thing.

My main wish for the EU would be for it to abandon English as a language. Having English as the main language for intercommunication just tilts the playing field in the direction of the USA and UK.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@jtb @phl @EUCommission

there are people who vote who still push the "demand perfect now, don't get it, therefore don't vote" psyop angle

they are doing the right thing, yet they give voice to the effect that stops others from doing the right thing

again i have zero problem with you if you vote. i am still allowed to point out out that perfectionist shouting at social media accounts that can't do anything is pointless

but don't listen to me, listen to a european:

Rihards Olups (@richlv@mastodon.social)

@paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu Just a quick note - if you care, call commissioners. Don't harass people who manage social media, especially the ones who manage Masto!

Mastodon (mastodon.social)

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@phl @jtb @EUCommission

why don't you look at the sordid array of perfectionist shouting that always seem to reply whenever EUCommission posts, and tell me i'm misfiring here again

look at the reply above that i responded to that started this whole back and forth, its tenor, and tell me that again

[phl@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission (Admission: I got momentarily confused and accidentally ended up describing the Council(s) rather than the Commission. The Commissioners are, however, just as multiple-layers-away as are one's secretaries/ministers, if not more, so saying you have influence on what they represent and what they stand for in particular issues is just as bold as saying the same about a sec/min. Importantly, Commissioners are chosen to represent EU and not their country.)

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@ehrt74 @RegGuy @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission

i think that's just an unfortunate aspect of history

you could pick another language, but then there's more effort involved

since english is more well understood than any other language in terms of second language adoption in many countries

i'm not supporting the status quo. fuck english

but i'm just saying there's a heavy inertia here

[ehrt74@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @RegGuy @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission yeah, there is a lot of inertia, and I think I've done enough derailing by mentioning it, so I'll leave it there.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@phl @jtb @EUCommission

"I got momentarily confused and accidentally ended up describing the Council(s) rather than the Commission"

i think i'll call this momentary harmless error on your part the Pauli exclusion principle

i'm sorry i'm just making a lame joke

i think this thread has run its course and i don't have a real problem with you and i appreciate you

but you have to admit the constant perfectionist shouting under ever EUCommission post is quite ridiculous and pointless

[aurochs@todon.eu]

@benroyce @phl @jtb @EUCommission The European Parliament is elected directly in the European Elections, the Commission is elected indirectly by those we elect nationally.
Screaming and Farraging "unnelected" is either disingenuous or stupid.
Should we directly elect the European Commission? Maybe yes, but don't even fucking suggest it is "antidemocratic "because those who put that idea in your head actually meant "supranational"

[jtb@toot.wales]

@aurochs @benroyce @phl @EUCommission "Screaming and Farraging"?? it gets worse.

[aurochs@todon.eu]

@jtb @benroyce @phl @EUCommission Sorry, I meant "Faraging", and yes, I made up that word.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@aurochs @EUCommission

you know what

@phl @jtb :

i agree with aurochs. i was trying to be generous but upon reflection your positions are deranged

democracy is about electing key players, it's not about electing every god damn bureaucrat in a system

the EU is democratic, because your vote flows from who you elect, to appoint the reps

this *is* democracy

asking people to elect every damned bureaucrat is not arguing for more democracy, it's arguing for madness

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@jtb @aurochs @phl @EUCommission

well then don't push lying "undemocratic!" angles that Farage would love then

[phl@mastodon.social]

@ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission Unfortunately there's no other language as widely understood across the EU as English is.
(and English remains an EU language because it is an official language of both Ireland and Malta)

But in any case, every publication happens in the official EU languages, of which there are many (and some major regional ones are woefully missing, eg. Catalan) — and IIRC Parliament members typically speak in their own language.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@aurochs @jtb @phl @EUCommission

if we can having Quisling, we can have Faraging

good word

[jtb@toot.wales]

@benroyce @aurochs @phl @EUCommission The commissioners are unelected, the commissioners write laws. The commissioners should be elected. You can disagree if you like, but calling people names doesn't add weight, it reduces it.

[ianmoore3000@mastodon.ie]

@ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission as a citizen of the one EU country that is primarily English speaking I cannot support this proposed downgrading of our fine language

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@jtb @aurochs @phl @EUCommission

Farage loves you and everything you're saying and doing

appointing bureaucrats is normal in every fucking democracy in the world

get off your fake fucking high horse

you are knowingly working right wing troll angles, or you're just that clueless you don't understand how that is all you are doing

consider the word "clueless" a conscious choice to call you a name

you have deserved the disrespect

[phl@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @jtb @aurochs @EUCommission There's a mile of a difference between Farage's bullshit (if not for anything else than that he applied the "unelected!!!1one" screech to every one of the EU officials) and saying that the unelected-because-they're-appointed-several-layers-down officials are not under our democratic control (changing my local rulers doesn't change the commissioners, and commissioners, as mentioned, do not even stand for their home country)

[richlv@mastodon.social]

@IanMoore3000 @ehrt74 @RegGuy @benroyce @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission Surely this is just a ploy to get all the Gaeilge speakers on fedi to join this thread