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  3. hey fellow gamedevs how do i internalize that "thinking about game systems and fixing problems in my head" isn't idle time but is literally doing the work of game design

hey fellow gamedevs how do i internalize that "thinking about game systems and fixing problems in my head" isn't idle time but is literally doing the work of game design

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  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

    hey fellow gamedevs how do i internalize that "thinking about game systems and fixing problems in my head" isn't idle time but is literally doing the work of game design

    because i have a pretty big problem with that

    bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB This user is from outside of this forum
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    @eniko taking a walk around the lake is generally considered an essential part of programming practice

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    • bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB bri7@social.treehouse.systems

      @eniko taking a walk around the lake is generally considered an essential part of programming practice

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      #4

      @eniko ah i found this

      Just a moment...

      favicon

      (levelup.gitconnected.com)

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      • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

        hey fellow gamedevs how do i internalize that "thinking about game systems and fixing problems in my head" isn't idle time but is literally doing the work of game design

        because i have a pretty big problem with that

        eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE This user is from outside of this forum
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        #5

        in my brain this is how it goes

        not work:
        - talking about game design with team members
        - thinking about/solving game design issues
        - marketing/pr
        - unpleasant businessy stuff
        - research

        work:
        - actively making or integrating graphics, code, sound, other assets
        - testing the game
        - distribution

        eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE efi@chitter.xyzE bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB antijingoist@masto.hackers.townA fromthefourthplanet@mas.toF 7 Replies Last reply
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        • bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB bri7@social.treehouse.systems

          @eniko taking a walk around the lake is generally considered an essential part of programming practice

          nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN This user is from outside of this forum
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          #6

          @bri7 @eniko at least it used to be 😢

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          • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

            in my brain this is how it goes

            not work:
            - talking about game design with team members
            - thinking about/solving game design issues
            - marketing/pr
            - unpleasant businessy stuff
            - research

            work:
            - actively making or integrating graphics, code, sound, other assets
            - testing the game
            - distribution

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            #7

            you may be inclined to ask "but eniko is the stuff in the not work category like half the job" and to that i can only say

            yes it is someone please help me

            rysiek@mstdn.socialR eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.ioC 3 Replies Last reply
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            • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

              in my brain this is how it goes

              not work:
              - talking about game design with team members
              - thinking about/solving game design issues
              - marketing/pr
              - unpleasant businessy stuff
              - research

              work:
              - actively making or integrating graphics, code, sound, other assets
              - testing the game
              - distribution

              efi@chitter.xyzE This user is from outside of this forum
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              #8

              @eniko the fuck is wrong with you, all that is work lol
              "not work" would be playing a game to analyze their decisions
              that's where if gets fuzzy

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              • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                hey fellow gamedevs how do i internalize that "thinking about game systems and fixing problems in my head" isn't idle time but is literally doing the work of game design

                because i have a pretty big problem with that

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                #9

                @eniko: this is a problem for lots of developers, so even though I am not a game dev, I struggle with it.

                I take notes when it is overwhelming and NEEDS to come out. I don't mind mulling over problems when I am idling, but very much DO mind it in social or other "focusing" situations, so this allows me to externalize the state to something else and save my state there, as it were.

                In terms of simply not thinking about it...uh...I used to use alcohol. I do that less now...

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                • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  in my brain this is how it goes

                  not work:
                  - talking about game design with team members
                  - thinking about/solving game design issues
                  - marketing/pr
                  - unpleasant businessy stuff
                  - research

                  work:
                  - actively making or integrating graphics, code, sound, other assets
                  - testing the game
                  - distribution

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                  #10

                  @eniko these seem oddly gender coded

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                  • bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB bri7@social.treehouse.systems

                    @eniko these seem oddly gender coded

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                    #11

                    @bri7 idk, unpleasant businessy stuff is pretty male coded

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                    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      you may be inclined to ask "but eniko is the stuff in the not work category like half the job" and to that i can only say

                      yes it is someone please help me

                      rysiek@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #12

                      @eniko what helps me is having a "at work" timer running when I do conceptual/architectural stuff which I would have otherwise probably not considered work in my brain.

                      That makes it real in terms of time spent on it.

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                      • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @bri7 idk, unpleasant businessy stuff is pretty male coded

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                        #13

                        @eniko it’s unpleasant so we get the executive assistant to do most of the leg work
                        (guess what their gender is)

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                        • bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB bri7@social.treehouse.systems

                          @eniko it’s unpleasant so we get the executive assistant to do most of the leg work
                          (guess what their gender is)

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                          #14

                          @bri7 well, i dont think this is gender. because all of the things that are work produce tangible artifacts that you can see, hear, or otherwise interact with that are part of playing the game itself

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                          • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                            @bri7 well, i dont think this is gender. because all of the things that are work produce tangible artifacts that you can see, hear, or otherwise interact with that are part of playing the game itself

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                            @eniko without the business and marketing it’s just doing an expensive hobby

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                            • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                              you may be inclined to ask "but eniko is the stuff in the not work category like half the job" and to that i can only say

                              yes it is someone please help me

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                              anyway i just spent 2 hours thinking about the combat systems for You Have Died and solving problems and writing down notes about the systems and when i was done with that i told myself "wow i should really hunker down and do some actual work"

                              what the fuck?

                              snyperwolf@kind.socialS bangskij@climatejustice.socialB bovaz@misskey.socialB mikaeleiman@mastodon.sdf.orgM glitchypixel@mastodon.gamedev.placeG 5 Replies Last reply
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                              • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                hey fellow gamedevs how do i internalize that "thinking about game systems and fixing problems in my head" isn't idle time but is literally doing the work of game design

                                because i have a pretty big problem with that

                                mrl314@peoplemaking.gamesM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @eniko girl when you figure it out can I get a slice of that pie too

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                                • mrl314@peoplemaking.gamesM mrl314@peoplemaking.games

                                  @eniko girl when you figure it out can I get a slice of that pie too

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                                  @MrL314 oh i will *never* figure this one out

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                                  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                    in my brain this is how it goes

                                    not work:
                                    - talking about game design with team members
                                    - thinking about/solving game design issues
                                    - marketing/pr
                                    - unpleasant businessy stuff
                                    - research

                                    work:
                                    - actively making or integrating graphics, code, sound, other assets
                                    - testing the game
                                    - distribution

                                    antijingoist@masto.hackers.townA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @eniko my problem was the people around me not viewing any of that list outside of the unpleasant businessy stuff as work lol

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                                    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                      in my brain this is how it goes

                                      not work:
                                      - talking about game design with team members
                                      - thinking about/solving game design issues
                                      - marketing/pr
                                      - unpleasant businessy stuff
                                      - research

                                      work:
                                      - actively making or integrating graphics, code, sound, other assets
                                      - testing the game
                                      - distribution

                                      fromthefourthplanet@mas.toF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #20

                                      @eniko
                                      I have a hard time with requirements and bureaucracy. I guess because I need to write everything for the later quality review it feels like work, even if its tedious.

                                      I would say, keep notes for everything? (Probably you already do that). I guess what I mean is, I can relate.

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                                      • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                        anyway i just spent 2 hours thinking about the combat systems for You Have Died and solving problems and writing down notes about the systems and when i was done with that i told myself "wow i should really hunker down and do some actual work"

                                        what the fuck?

                                        snyperwolf@kind.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #21

                                        @eniko I have no idea if this will help, but a lot of time after writing down everything in my brain and plotting how the solution should work, I force myself to take a break, make some coffee or have a snack and get some water

                                        This also tends not to be idle time; usually my brain is STILL WORKING trying to figure out that last piece, or to figure out what to code first

                                        But it does help me clear the mind gremlins. Remind myself that I am both body and mind and both could use a rest and a treat

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                                        • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                          you may be inclined to ask "but eniko is the stuff in the not work category like half the job" and to that i can only say

                                          yes it is someone please help me

                                          c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.ioC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #22

                                          @eniko not only is most of the “not work” stuff very much work, but a bunch of it is the shit that you don’t want or feel inclined to do. So, in that sense, it’s more work than the “work” list because you enjoy the stuff on the “work” list.

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