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  • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

    9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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    The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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    @quixoticgeek and isn't 'natural gas' just the most newspeak name for a fossil fuel.

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    • artemis@climatejustice.socialA artemis@climatejustice.social

      @quixoticgeek and isn't 'natural gas' just the most newspeak name for a fossil fuel.

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      @artemis ok. So natural gas is because for many years the gas network in most places was derived from coal gas, or town gas, whereby coal was heated up to produce coke, which was used in things like steel production, and the gas was then piped locally to homes and businesses. Natural gas as a fuel source is relatively recent. In the UK we're talking later half of the 20th century.

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      • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

        9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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        New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

        The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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        @quixoticgeek

        People need to understand that these datacentres are not just for generating fun pics, they're intended to replace workers en masse, and they're going to ultimately replaces wages.

        And there's no way Universal Basic Income will be even considered, and notwithstanding the BS that Musk has been spouting recently in favour of UBI.

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        • seb1982@norden.socialS seb1982@norden.social

          @quixoticgeek I would like to bring in a completely different aspect:
          As the data centre runs entirely on natural gas, sabotaging the whole facility seems to be quite an easy thing to do.

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          @Seb1982 @quixoticgeek
          Disable the cooling system.

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          • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

            9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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            New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

            The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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            @quixoticgeek and there is an even bigger one planned .. link in the article.
            I am really not sure where the money will be to pay for all this computing...

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            • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

              9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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              New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

              The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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              @quixoticgeek Just the thing we need in the middle of a climate crisis.

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              • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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                @quixoticgeek this is so painful to read 😢

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                • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                  9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                  New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                  The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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                  @quixoticgeek how much water then? Where's it coming from?

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                  • ehproque@neopaquita.esE ehproque@neopaquita.es

                    @quixoticgeek how much water then? Where's it coming from?

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                    @ehproque dunno. I'm scared of the answer.

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                    • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                      9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                      New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                      The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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                      @quixoticgeek

                      Now that the tech exists to generate fabulous amounts of energy, tech and energy oligarchs immediately found ways to waste it to keep it out of the peasants' reach.

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                      • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                        9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                        New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                        The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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                        @quixoticgeek “2,000 permanent jobs in the county following construction”? Doing what, sweeping the halls?

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                        • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                          9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                          The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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                          @quixoticgeek At scale, such a powerful root infrastructure would require more than one source, like geothermal and wind, to justify such an amount. But placing a singular sourcing is an obvious liability with no backup/complimentary framework. It's like putting a large heavy water nuclear reactor in place, instead of smaller, overlapping modular Thorium, or Natrium reactors.

                          Simply just another #TechBros money-grab, at the taxpayer's expense.

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                          • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                            Based on an estimate of 500g CO2/kWh, the one facility would emit ~40MT of CO2 a year. If this one facility was a country, it would rank about 67th, just behind Bulgaria.

                            Concentrating this much energy use in a single location is going to change weather patterns. The environmental impact is just mind boggling.

                            The AI bubble can't burst soon enough.

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                            @quixoticgeek Utah is already at the brink of collapse due to large farms with little to no environmental management, extremely poor water management, and the ever increasing air pollution in the Wasatch Valley where most of the people live. Add to that the ultra conservative majority that have been brainwashed by politicians and the mormon church, and you got a massive environmental desaster in the next 20 years.

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                            • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                              Based on an estimate of 500g CO2/kWh, the one facility would emit ~40MT of CO2 a year. If this one facility was a country, it would rank about 67th, just behind Bulgaria.

                              Concentrating this much energy use in a single location is going to change weather patterns. The environmental impact is just mind boggling.

                              The AI bubble can't burst soon enough.

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                              @quixoticgeek The best years of my life were spend in SLC, and I still have a lot of great friends living there. Shit like this make me worry a lot.

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                              • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                                @quixoticgeek I honestly bet they run out of financing and never finish it.

                                Data center scam has to die.

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                                • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                  9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                                  New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                                  The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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                                  @quixoticgeek we’ve become such a shithole country. These things are going to be disastrous.

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                                  • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                    9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                                    New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                                    The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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                                    @quixoticgeek And not a single panel of solar?

                                    And... when it fails, will they turn it into another detention centre for people they don't like?

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                                    • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                      9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                                      New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                                      The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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                                      @quixoticgeek
                                      We should ban all these huge data centres. We don't need AI

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                                      • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                        9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                                        New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                                        The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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                                        @quixoticgeek ...and it will be the people of Utah who will pay the bill (higher electricity bills, issues with water supply and pressure, etc...)

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                                        • quoidian@mastodon.onlineQ quoidian@mastodon.online

                                          @Seb1982 @quixoticgeek
                                          Disable the cooling system.

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                                          @quoidian @Seb1982 @quixoticgeek

                                          #Zodiac was a good book.

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