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  3. Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze.

Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze.

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  • troed@swecyb.comT troed@swecyb.com

    @HybridStaticAnimate

    They post blatant misinformation regarding other open mobile projects - which they call "competitors".

    That's the very definition of FUD.

    I'm sure you're one of their best stans.

    @kuketzblog

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    @troed @kuketzblog

    They post verifiable, accurate information, with evidence. They explicitly do not call OSs made by scammers and liars "competitors" and have explained numerous times how these OSs arent competition at all. You have proven you havent bothered to investigate any of this in this very message. Your accusation of FUD *is* FUD. You are lying to people.

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    • lave@mstdn.socialL lave@mstdn.social

      @kuketzblog Tja, die Beziehung von IQ zu EQ ist meist eine antiproportionale 😅

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      @lave @kuketzblog

      Well thats just mean...

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      • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

        @troed @kuketzblog

        They post verifiable, accurate information, with evidence. They explicitly do not call OSs made by scammers and liars "competitors" and have explained numerous times how these OSs arent competition at all. You have proven you havent bothered to investigate any of this in this very message. Your accusation of FUD *is* FUD. You are lying to people.

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        @HybridStaticAnimate

        No, they do not, and I've been in discussions here on Mastodon proving that as well. I simply know more about secure mobile phone concepts than the account that FUDs here.

        You, apparently, are easier to fool.

        @kuketzblog

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        • truhe@chaos.socialT truhe@chaos.social

          @kuketzblog Ich bin ihnen auch entfolgt. Ich verstehe vor allem nicht, weshalb das in dieser Frequenz hier gemacht werden muss, während sich auf der Website überhaupt nichts tut. Man müllt die Timeline der Follower zu 😖.

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          @truhe @kuketzblog

          People are being conditioned to avoid the website. It wouldnt be effective to counter things there. Misinfo has to be countered where it exists.

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          • troed@swecyb.comT troed@swecyb.com

            @HybridStaticAnimate

            No, they do not, and I've been in discussions here on Mastodon proving that as well. I simply know more about secure mobile phone concepts than the account that FUDs here.

            You, apparently, are easier to fool.

            @kuketzblog

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            @troed @kuketzblog

            You are proving your ignorance quite effectively.

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            • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

              @troed @kuketzblog

              You are proving your ignorance quite effectively.

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              @HybridStaticAnimate

              ... and you're a GrapheneOS sockpuppet account.

              @kuketzblog

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              • flx@norden.socialF flx@norden.social

                @kuketzblog Ja, das Gejamere und die online ausgelebten Psychosen von @GrapheneOS waren für mich ein Grund, #GrapheneOS den Rücken zu kehren, als mein Pixel kaputt ging.

                Will ich mich wirklich auf ein OS verlassen, dass scheinbar von psychisch instabilen Personen stammt?

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                @flx @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS
                Ich nutze GOS gerne und auch weiterhin, da es für mich das beste Custom ROM darstellt.
                Ihr fürchte nur, dass diese öffentliche Schlammschlacht viele davon abgehalten wird GOS zu installieren.

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                • troed@swecyb.comT troed@swecyb.com

                  @HybridStaticAnimate

                  ... and you're a GrapheneOS sockpuppet account.

                  @kuketzblog

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                  @troed @kuketzblog

                  I see you have run out of pseudotechnical FUD? Is this what you choose to resort to?

                  No, I am my own person doing this of my own free will. I am unassociated with GrapheneOS. I am merely helping where I can.

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                  • highfunctioningsociopath@mastodon.socialH highfunctioningsociopath@mastodon.social

                    @flx @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS
                    Ich nutze GOS gerne und auch weiterhin, da es für mich das beste Custom ROM darstellt.
                    Ihr fürchte nur, dass diese öffentliche Schlammschlacht viele davon abgehalten wird GOS zu installieren.

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                    @highfunctioningsociopath @flx @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS That’s criticism, not an attack. The projects mentioned are highly insecure and developers refuse to improve it. Some of them even attack GrapheneOS for spreading their false claims about privacy and security to sell more. If you think it’s “toxic”, think about how many activists will get arrested or even killed for using such projects.

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                      @ivorytusk @kuketzblog

                      GrapheneOS is here to stay. The pressure they suffer from attacks is not creating an existential concern, rather it is severely hindering progress they would otherwise make. Its a nigh superhuman level of abuse to deal with.

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                        @Life_is
                        Das ist wie in der Politik: Diejenigen mit besseren Intentionen für Alle zerfleischen sich untereinander, und die Großkonzerne profitieren vom Streit.

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                        • streetcoder@mastodon.socialS streetcoder@mastodon.social

                          @ivorytusk @kuketzblog Meldung der Entfolgung zeigt Verantwortung für die, die man rüber gezogen hat.

                          Ebenfalls von /e/ auf GOS gewechselt und muss sagen, es ist wahrsch. nicht frei im Sinne von RMS. Hat mich dazu verleitet dem Digitalzwang nachzugeben und den Play Store zu nutzen.

                          Hab jetzt eine Banking App und auch eine für den E-Roller und genau für solche Digitalzwangsituationen ist GOS das sicherste System.

                          Wir müssen offensichtlich lernen fair mit toxischen Genies umzugehen, nur wie?

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                          @streetcoder @ivorytusk @kuketzblog

                          The people behind GrapheneOS arent being toxic. Thats just a mean thing to say.

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                          • okuna@social.tchncs.deO okuna@social.tchncs.de

                            @betterlife @kuketzblog siehe oben, für derartige Kommentare sind die Entwickler nicht so offen

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                            @Okuna @betterlife @kuketzblog

                            GrapheneOS is very open to criticism. What is often called criticism, however, is not. It is often used as an excuse to abuse others.

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                            • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

                              @flx @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS

                              The people behind GrapheneOS are not mentally unstable. That is a very rude thing to say.

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                              @HybridStaticAnimate Most toots on the official account are a mixture of paranoia and hatred for other Android distributions.

                              Apparently GrapheneOS team members are constantly attacked, swatted, harassed. A worldwide conspiracy against GOS. Then I saw that Louis Rossmann video: He had a little bit of legitimate criticism on GOS and GOS went mad, complained about his „harassment campaign“.

                              We have a word for this: paranoia.

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                              • kuketzblog@social.tchncs.deK kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de

                                Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze. Im Gegenteil: GrapheneOS ist im Bereich mobiler Sicherheit/Privacy weiterhin die beste Option.

                                Was mich stört, sind die ständigen Seitenhiebe auf /e/OS, CalyxOS und andere Custom-ROMs - auch wenn die Kritik völlig legitim ist. Aber ich folge dem Account, um etwas über GrapheneOS zu lesen, nicht um regelmäßig zu erfahren, was andere in den Sand setzen. Wer ein starkes Projekt hat, sollte es für sich sprechen lassen.

                                #GrapheneOS #Android #Privacy

                                /kuk

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                                @kuketzblog Ich bin dort tatsächlich seit Jahren geblockt, nachdem ich mich hier im Fediverse mal positiv zu CalyxOS auf meinem Fairphone 4 (das übrigens gar nicht von GrapheneOS unterstützt wird) geäußert hatte. Das endete in wüsten Beschimpfungen seitens Daniel Micay, in denen er mich u.a. als "dishonest charlatan" bezeichnete und dann noch Drohungen gegen mich ausgesprochen hat. Von solchen Menschen möchte ich keine Software auf meinen Geräten haben.

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                                • streetcoder@mastodon.socialS streetcoder@mastodon.social

                                  @ivorytusk @kuketzblog Gerade nochmal gesucht wie viele an GOS arbeiten. Scheint quasi immer noch ein Einmannprojekt zu sein.

                                  Die Argumente sind ja auch stets richtig, aber die Art und Weise mit Drohungen vergiften das Diskussionsklima. Wie man da faire Grenzen im Umgang etablieren kann ist fraglich.

                                  Vertrauen auf langfristigen Projekterfolg stellt sich da nicht ein. Falls das richtig knallt, ist mein Plan B eben zwei Handys einzusetzen. Eins für Digitalzwänge u. ein anderes Custom ROM.

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                                  @streetcoder @ivorytusk @kuketzblog

                                  GrapheneOS has a paid, full-time team of developers. It is not one person doing development.

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                                  • tjr22@social.vivaldi.netT tjr22@social.vivaldi.net

                                    @betterlife

                                    a) Woher weißt du, dass Mike das nicht getan hat?
                                    b) Aus eigener Erfahrung sind die Personen, die die Außenkommuniation von GOS betreuen, weder kritikfähig noch an einem Dialog interessiert.
                                    c) Wenn Mike dem Account von GOS entfolgt und dies kundtut hat er auf welche Weise den Account gecancelt? Der ist immer noch da und kann gefolgt werden?

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                                    @tjr22 @betterlife

                                    The people behind GrapheneOS are open to criticism and discussion. But that is very often not what GrapheneOS is met with.

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                                    • fbausch@chaos.socialF fbausch@chaos.social

                                      @kuketzblog
                                      Achtung Küchenpsychologie:
                                      Meine Theorie ist, dass die GrapheneOS-Entwickler das System aus einer gewissen Paranoia heraus entwickeln. Wer sich überall verfolgt* fühlt, braucht ein sicheres System.
                                      Und mit dieser Paranoia im Hintergrund ist jede Nachfrage, jede Kritik (auch berechtigte) ein Angriff eines Gegenspielers.

                                      * und es gibt auf jedem Fall Menschen, die vefolgt werden.

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                                      @fbausch @kuketzblog

                                      GrapheneOS is developed by paid, full time developers. They are not mentally ill and they are not paranoid. I know the level of abuse they claim is occurring seems outlandish, but it is really happening. Its a nigh superhuman level and its not fair to them. They have to refute the misinformation and attacks to lessen the damage the attacks cause.

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                                      • archaide@bonn.socialA archaide@bonn.social

                                        @kuketzblog das erlebt man leider auch an anderer Stelle. Meine erste Begegnung mit der "Community" als ich mich erstmals mit OpenATV für meinen Gigablue Receiver beschäftigte war gruselig. Derartig arrogante Antworten habe ich lange nicht erlebt. Entweder du kennst dich mit dem Zeug umfänglich aus oder du wirst für doof erklärt.

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                                        @Archaide @kuketzblog

                                        Ive been in the GrapheneOS community for years, I, and others, try to stop any elitism or condescension if it occurs. Who treated you like this? This person should be banned. Elitism is against the rules.

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                                        • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

                                          @tjr22 @betterlife

                                          The people behind GrapheneOS are open to criticism and discussion. But that is very often not what GrapheneOS is met with.

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                                          @HybridStaticAnimate

                                          Really, are they?

                                          Not in my experience.
                                          Maybe you had more luck than me.

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