Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze.
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@kuketzblog Same same. The constant FUD rants aren't doing anyone any good.
They dont post FUD rants.
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@kuketzblog same here. Ebenfalls gestern entfolgt. Love the product, hate the marketing. Momentan noch eine kognitive Dissonanz für mich.
GrapheneOS doesnt sell a product and does not have anything to market. They arent a business.
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They dont post FUD rants.
They do. I personally have the competence to see through them, and when I've done so they've gone on some paranoid delusion schtick believing I'm some form of enemy "out to get them".
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They do. I personally have the competence to see through them, and when I've done so they've gone on some paranoid delusion schtick believing I'm some form of enemy "out to get them".
No, they do not. They speak neutrally and objectively. Thats not fear, uncertainty, or doubt. What you are describing is not competence, its apathy.
I cannot fathom how a human being would look at claims made and evidence backing those claims and call that "paranoid delusion". You are either not bothering to read any of it or are willfully disregarding it. Of course they would say you are contributing to the abuse when you contribute to the abuse, did you expect a different result?
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No, they do not. They speak neutrally and objectively. Thats not fear, uncertainty, or doubt. What you are describing is not competence, its apathy.
I cannot fathom how a human being would look at claims made and evidence backing those claims and call that "paranoid delusion". You are either not bothering to read any of it or are willfully disregarding it. Of course they would say you are contributing to the abuse when you contribute to the abuse, did you expect a different result?
They post blatant misinformation regarding other open mobile projects - which they call "competitors".
That's the very definition of FUD.
I'm sure you're one of their best stans.
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Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze. Im Gegenteil: GrapheneOS ist im Bereich mobiler Sicherheit/Privacy weiterhin die beste Option.
Was mich stört, sind die ständigen Seitenhiebe auf /e/OS, CalyxOS und andere Custom-ROMs - auch wenn die Kritik völlig legitim ist. Aber ich folge dem Account, um etwas über GrapheneOS zu lesen, nicht um regelmäßig zu erfahren, was andere in den Sand setzen. Wer ein starkes Projekt hat, sollte es für sich sprechen lassen.
/kuk
@kuketzblog Tja, die Beziehung von IQ zu EQ ist meist eine antiproportionale
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They post blatant misinformation regarding other open mobile projects - which they call "competitors".
That's the very definition of FUD.
I'm sure you're one of their best stans.
They post verifiable, accurate information, with evidence. They explicitly do not call OSs made by scammers and liars "competitors" and have explained numerous times how these OSs arent competition at all. You have proven you havent bothered to investigate any of this in this very message. Your accusation of FUD *is* FUD. You are lying to people.
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@kuketzblog Tja, die Beziehung von IQ zu EQ ist meist eine antiproportionale
Well thats just mean...
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They post verifiable, accurate information, with evidence. They explicitly do not call OSs made by scammers and liars "competitors" and have explained numerous times how these OSs arent competition at all. You have proven you havent bothered to investigate any of this in this very message. Your accusation of FUD *is* FUD. You are lying to people.
No, they do not, and I've been in discussions here on Mastodon proving that as well. I simply know more about secure mobile phone concepts than the account that FUDs here.
You, apparently, are easier to fool.
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@kuketzblog Ich bin ihnen auch entfolgt. Ich verstehe vor allem nicht, weshalb das in dieser Frequenz hier gemacht werden muss, während sich auf der Website überhaupt nichts tut. Man müllt die Timeline der Follower zu
.People are being conditioned to avoid the website. It wouldnt be effective to counter things there. Misinfo has to be countered where it exists.
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No, they do not, and I've been in discussions here on Mastodon proving that as well. I simply know more about secure mobile phone concepts than the account that FUDs here.
You, apparently, are easier to fool.
You are proving your ignorance quite effectively.
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You are proving your ignorance quite effectively.
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@kuketzblog Ja, das Gejamere und die online ausgelebten Psychosen von @GrapheneOS waren für mich ein Grund, #GrapheneOS den Rücken zu kehren, als mein Pixel kaputt ging.
Will ich mich wirklich auf ein OS verlassen, dass scheinbar von psychisch instabilen Personen stammt?
@flx @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS
Ich nutze GOS gerne und auch weiterhin, da es für mich das beste Custom ROM darstellt.
Ihr fürchte nur, dass diese öffentliche Schlammschlacht viele davon abgehalten wird GOS zu installieren. -
I see you have run out of pseudotechnical FUD? Is this what you choose to resort to?
No, I am my own person doing this of my own free will. I am unassociated with GrapheneOS. I am merely helping where I can.
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@flx @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS
Ich nutze GOS gerne und auch weiterhin, da es für mich das beste Custom ROM darstellt.
Ihr fürchte nur, dass diese öffentliche Schlammschlacht viele davon abgehalten wird GOS zu installieren.@highfunctioningsociopath @flx @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS That’s criticism, not an attack. The projects mentioned are highly insecure and developers refuse to improve it. Some of them even attack GrapheneOS for spreading their false claims about privacy and security to sell more. If you think it’s “toxic”, think about how many activists will get arrested or even killed for using such projects.
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GrapheneOS is here to stay. The pressure they suffer from attacks is not creating an existential concern, rather it is severely hindering progress they would otherwise make. Its a nigh superhuman level of abuse to deal with.
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@Life_is
Das ist wie in der Politik: Diejenigen mit besseren Intentionen für Alle zerfleischen sich untereinander, und die Großkonzerne profitieren vom Streit. -
@ivorytusk @kuketzblog Meldung der Entfolgung zeigt Verantwortung für die, die man rüber gezogen hat.
Ebenfalls von /e/ auf GOS gewechselt und muss sagen, es ist wahrsch. nicht frei im Sinne von RMS. Hat mich dazu verleitet dem Digitalzwang nachzugeben und den Play Store zu nutzen.
Hab jetzt eine Banking App und auch eine für den E-Roller und genau für solche Digitalzwangsituationen ist GOS das sicherste System.
Wir müssen offensichtlich lernen fair mit toxischen Genies umzugehen, nur wie?
@streetcoder @ivorytusk @kuketzblog
The people behind GrapheneOS arent being toxic. Thats just a mean thing to say.
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@betterlife @kuketzblog siehe oben, für derartige Kommentare sind die Entwickler nicht so offen
@Okuna @betterlife @kuketzblog
GrapheneOS is very open to criticism. What is often called criticism, however, is not. It is often used as an excuse to abuse others.
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The people behind GrapheneOS are not mentally unstable. That is a very rude thing to say.
@HybridStaticAnimate Most toots on the official account are a mixture of paranoia and hatred for other Android distributions.
Apparently GrapheneOS team members are constantly attacked, swatted, harassed. A worldwide conspiracy against GOS. Then I saw that Louis Rossmann video: He had a little bit of legitimate criticism on GOS and GOS went mad, complained about his „harassment campaign“.
We have a word for this: paranoia.
