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Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike.

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  • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

    Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

    For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

    When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

    Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

    Decentralization still runs on invoices.

    Support your instances.

    #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

    mdione@en.osm.townM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #18

    @jeff I wonder how much storage is media that nobody sees. Maybe it would be worth to add a delay in showing the media by only downloading whatever is actually seen. #Mastodon

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    • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

      Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

      For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

      When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

      Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

      Decentralization still runs on invoices.

      Support your instances.

      #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

      mullana@chaos.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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      mullana@chaos.social
      wrote last edited by
      #19

      @jeff
      Thanks, AI. 😠

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      • claudius@darmstadt.socialC claudius@darmstadt.social

        @jeff THIS.

        Also: if you're like "hehe, I'm not on Hetzner", I've got a bridge to sell you.

        Hetzner went there first, but every hosting company is looking down increased hardware and energy costs on top of increased system load because of AI-company crawlers.

        mainec@fromm.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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        #20

        @claudius @jeff same applies to the folks with hardware and hosting in their basement/ kitchen/ wherever

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        • mainec@fromm.socialM mainec@fromm.social

          @claudius @jeff same applies to the folks with hardware and hosting in their basement/ kitchen/ wherever

          claudius@darmstadt.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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          #21

          @mainec @jeff long-term: absolutely.

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          • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

            Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

            For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

            When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

            Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

            Decentralization still runs on invoices.

            Support your instances.

            #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

            zompetto@mastodon.artZ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #22

            @jeff another way this shitty AI push is making the web worse for everyone

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            • zompetto@mastodon.artZ zompetto@mastodon.art

              @jeff another way this shitty AI push is making the web worse for everyone

              fritange@maly.ioF This user is from outside of this forum
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              fritange@maly.io
              wrote last edited by
              #23

              @zompetto

              This is really going crazy. It became almost impossible to order a laptop with only 2 memory strips of 16GB to the main manufacturers (Dell, Lenovo, HPe)...

              @jeff

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              • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                Support your instances.

                #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                woof@fedi.aria.dogW This user is from outside of this forum
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                woof@fedi.aria.dog
                wrote last edited by
                #24

                @jeff anyone who was somehow still hosting with them after their pulling the plug on fedi instances for false reports motivated by anti-lgbt hate had it coming

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                • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                  Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                  For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                  When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                  Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                  Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                  Support your instances.

                  #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                  kate@is.beeping.petK This user is from outside of this forum
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                  kate@is.beeping.pet
                  wrote last edited by
                  #25
                  @jeff Why would only mastodon admins suffer from this? Hosts of other fedi software should experience similar issues. ​​
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                  • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                    Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                    For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                    When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                    Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                    Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                    Support your instances.

                    #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                    stairjoke@indieweb.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    wrote last edited by
                    #26

                    @jeff do we know why they’re increasing prices? I suspect its the cost of serving all the AI requests and the cost increases for hardware, also due to AI.

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                    • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                      Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                      For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                      When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                      Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                      Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                      Support your instances.

                      #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                      katharta@quietzero.netK This user is from outside of this forum
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                      katharta@quietzero.net
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                      #27

                      @jeff F... I was just about to make the jump

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                      • kate@is.beeping.petK kate@is.beeping.pet
                        @jeff Why would only mastodon admins suffer from this? Hosts of other fedi software should experience similar issues. ​​
                        k4t3@comp.lain.laK This user is from outside of this forum
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                        k4t3@comp.lain.la
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                        @kate @jeff because mastodon is bloat
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                        • lizbian@chaos.socialL lizbian@chaos.social

                          @Bebef @jeff Hetzner isn't the only hoster which is increasing prices. I think Hetzner was just the first to communicate this decision. The reason behind it seems to be the RAM shortage induced by AI companies buying up all the supply.

                          Moving to cheaper providers will come with less quality (more downtime, worse support, ...). And I'm also pretty sure that US-based companies aren't an option for most instances.

                          bebef@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #29

                          @lizbian @jeff So what you're saying is that Hetzner is the cheapest provider with acceptable quality there is?

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                          • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                            Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                            For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                            When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                            Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                            Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                            Support your instances.

                            #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                            caffetino@social.pikaia.orgC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            caffetino@social.pikaia.org
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                            #30

                            @jeff we're all going to have to relearn thrifty programming. The time of abundance is over. At least for now.

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                            • bebef@mastodon.socialB bebef@mastodon.social

                              @lizbian @jeff So what you're saying is that Hetzner is the cheapest provider with acceptable quality there is?

                              lizbian@chaos.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @Bebef @jeff "Acceptable quality" highly depends on use case. Also, there are other factors that limit possible providers, like datacenter location, jurisdiction(s), GDPR compliance level, available features, type of hosting, and the like.

                              So yes, for some organisations, Hetzner is the cheapest option with acceptable quality that they can use.

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                              • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                                Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                                For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                                When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                                Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                                Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                                Support your instances.

                                #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                                drewtowler@mas.toD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @jeff As someone working in infosec, Hetzner IP addresses are the source of so much DoS traffic that I regard Hetzner as one big attack vector and I block their IP ranges frequently. If the prices rises mean a few less attackers, then I'm all for it.

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                                • mdione@en.osm.townM mdione@en.osm.town

                                  @jeff I wonder how much storage is media that nobody sees. Maybe it would be worth to add a delay in showing the media by only downloading whatever is actually seen. #Mastodon

                                  anlomedad@fedifreu.deA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #33

                                  @mdione @jeff

                                  Good thinking.
                                  I ran my own single-user mastodon instance for a year and I culled remote media from storage on a schedule. Can't say for sure now, but I think, the schedule was integrated in the mastodon ecosystem and not set up outside the system by myself.
                                  In any case, it was simple enough that even I could set up deletion of media of postings downloaded from other servers.

                                  Backup was actually the biggest storage requirement. Was glad to have had it tho, used its restore function several times.

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                                  • bebef@mastodon.socialB bebef@mastodon.social

                                    @jeff Moving to a different hoster is ... too simple? 🤔 Or why am I not reading "some may move to a more economically priced hoster"?

                                    robotistry@mstdn.caR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @Bebef @jeff Because what's driving it is increased hardware costs that all hosters will have to accommodate, not something unique to specific hosters.

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                                    • anlomedad@fedifreu.deA anlomedad@fedifreu.de

                                      @mdione @jeff

                                      Good thinking.
                                      I ran my own single-user mastodon instance for a year and I culled remote media from storage on a schedule. Can't say for sure now, but I think, the schedule was integrated in the mastodon ecosystem and not set up outside the system by myself.
                                      In any case, it was simple enough that even I could set up deletion of media of postings downloaded from other servers.

                                      Backup was actually the biggest storage requirement. Was glad to have had it tho, used its restore function several times.

                                      sraars@hippodon.comS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #35

                                      @anlomedad @mdione @jeff Yes there are settings in the administration panel that you can set.

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                                      • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                                        Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                                        For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                                        When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                                        Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                                        Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                                        Support your instances.

                                        #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                                        sraars@hippodon.comS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #36

                                        @jeff I run a single (mostly) user instance and my costs will be up about $3 a month because I run two (this instance and the Elasticsearch). I suppose I could consolidate or move, but I have these outside the US because of obvious reasons.

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