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" #Democrats deliver ‘stunning’ flip in New Hampshire special election, latest in series of 28 upsets"

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  • fathermcgruder@jorts.horseF fathermcgruder@jorts.horse

    @liferstate @benroyce Listening does not mean agreeing. Come on now.

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    #144

    @fathermcgruder @liferstate

    centrist dems aren't listening at all

    we simply have to show up in the primaries and replace them

    so any rationale that says "it is correct people should not vote until magic perfect candidate appears" is an inversion of reality and is only an approach that makes sure we drift further right

    the simple reality is people need to show the fuck up in a giant mob and register the left candidate as their choice in their primaries

    that is only way

    #vote

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    • fathermcgruder@jorts.horseF fathermcgruder@jorts.horse

      @liferstate @benroyce Listening does not mean agreeing. Come on now.

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      @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce

      So opposing genocide is demanding "purity" now? The regime committing the genocide is a fascist regime. It is founded on exclusivity and ethno-supremacism. How does one support that and still oppose fascism?

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      • seanjh@mstdn.caS seanjh@mstdn.ca

        @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce

        So opposing genocide is demanding "purity" now? The regime committing the genocide is a fascist regime. It is founded on exclusivity and ethno-supremacism. How does one support that and still oppose fascism?

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        @SeanJH @fathermcgruder @liferstate

        who are you responding to

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        • P proscience@toot.community

          @benroyce @fathermcgruder

          "you get left candidates by showing up in the primaries and voting

          centrist dems will learn nothing from low turnout."

          Mind-boggling that these truths need to be said.

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          @proscience @benroyce @fathermcgruder On Election Day 2020, I arrived at my polling place right after it opened at 6:00 a.m. The line to vote was down the block!

          Four years later, I arrived at around the same time. However, I was the only person there besides the poll workers. I remember thinking, "This does not bode well." And boy, was I right!

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          • deanfarrell@mstdn.plusD deanfarrell@mstdn.plus

            @proscience @benroyce @fathermcgruder On Election Day 2020, I arrived at my polling place right after it opened at 6:00 a.m. The line to vote was down the block!

            Four years later, I arrived at around the same time. However, I was the only person there besides the poll workers. I remember thinking, "This does not bode well." And boy, was I right!

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            @DeanFarrell @proscience @fathermcgruder

            we are suffering through 4 years of hell because of nonvoters

            all this trump shit is their fault

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            • liferstate@mas.toL liferstate@mas.to

              @benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.

              In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.

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              @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder If I had a dollar for each time Black women have saved America from itself....

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              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                @kali @fathermcgruder @proscience

                the nonvoter doesn't care. what's most important to them is "teaching the centrist democrats a lesson." that's their priority. trans rights, womens rights, immigrants rights, iran, etc: not as important to them

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                @benroyce @kali @fathermcgruder @proscience

                Indeed. The people that nonvoters hurt the most are those for whom they profess support.

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                • kali@discuss.systemsK kali@discuss.systems

                  @fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience sorry to be that blunt, but that is what spray tan hitler has planned for u.

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                  @kali @benroyce @proscience Besides complaints about the optics of blowing up a school, what are you seeing from Democratic leadership indicating that they are actually opposed to that plan?

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                  • seanjh@mstdn.caS seanjh@mstdn.ca

                    @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce

                    So opposing genocide is demanding "purity" now? The regime committing the genocide is a fascist regime. It is founded on exclusivity and ethno-supremacism. How does one support that and still oppose fascism?

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                    @SeanJH @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce It's not "opposing genocide" to refuse to vote in an election where "cut off support for the country doing genocide or don't cut it off?" is not a question on the ballot.

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                    • fathermcgruder@jorts.horseF fathermcgruder@jorts.horse

                      @kali @benroyce @proscience Besides complaints about the optics of blowing up a school, what are you seeing from Democratic leadership indicating that they are actually opposed to that plan?

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                      @fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience bro if you still think there is a plan i can't help u. good luck in life.

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                      • kali@discuss.systemsK kali@discuss.systems

                        @fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience bro if you still think there is a plan i can't help u. good luck in life.

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                        #154

                        @fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience you guys really have no idea what you have coming. 0. best of luck. 2008 will look like a walk in the park.

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                        • fathermcgruder@jorts.horseF fathermcgruder@jorts.horse

                          @kali @benroyce @proscience Besides complaints about the optics of blowing up a school, what are you seeing from Democratic leadership indicating that they are actually opposed to that plan?

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                          @fathermcgruder @kali @proscience

                          why do you care about what democratic leadership thinks?

                          we show up in the primaries and replace them

                          this is what i mean by entitlement: you're so fixated and obsessed with teaching centrist dems a lesson everything else matters less to you

                          your entire topic is a red herring

                          who gives a fuck what dem leadership thinks. just vote for left candidates in the primaries

                          by changing the topic you're only showing you've lost the plot

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                          • seanjh@mstdn.caS seanjh@mstdn.ca

                            @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce

                            So opposing genocide is demanding "purity" now? The regime committing the genocide is a fascist regime. It is founded on exclusivity and ethno-supremacism. How does one support that and still oppose fascism?

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                            @SeanJH @liferstate @benroyce 🎯

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                            • fathermcgruder@jorts.horseF fathermcgruder@jorts.horse

                              @SeanJH @liferstate @benroyce 🎯

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                              @fathermcgruder @SeanJH @liferstate

                              how's that bullseye going under trump since he is now in power because so many didn't vote?

                              what has been achieved by not voting on what you *say* you care about?

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                              • liferstate@mas.toL liferstate@mas.to

                                @benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.

                                In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.

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                                @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder

                                LGBT people also preferred not being murdered.

                                "Among lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender voters, 86% cast their ballots for Vice President Kamala Harris, while 13% voted for Trump, according to NBC News exit polls."

                                https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article295190254.html

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                                • alienghic@timeloop.cafeA alienghic@timeloop.cafe

                                  @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder

                                  LGBT people also preferred not being murdered.

                                  "Among lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender voters, 86% cast their ballots for Vice President Kamala Harris, while 13% voted for Trump, according to NBC News exit polls."

                                  https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article295190254.html

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                                  @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder

                                  It's one reason I'm annoyed by phrase "you people voted for Trump" (when posted on mastodon).

                                  Groups that heavily voted for Harris were Black women, LGBT people, people with postgraduate degrees, the religiously unaffiliated, and I think newspaper readers were also heavily biased against Trump, but I can't find a confirming reference right now.

                                  Those are all categories heavily over represented here on mastodon compared to the general population.

                                  There's not a lot of straight white people with a high school diploma who call themselves evangelical around here.

                                  We should be arguing about how to communicate to the mainstream not complaining about each other.

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                                  • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                                    @SeanJH @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce It's not "opposing genocide" to refuse to vote in an election where "cut off support for the country doing genocide or don't cut it off?" is not a question on the ballot.

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                                    @dalias voting for any pro-genocide candidate sends the wrong feedback signal. We know now that the Democrats got the message: https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza
                                    Hopefully, they will take heed on future campaigns.

                                    @SeanJH @liferstate @benroyce

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                                    • alienghic@timeloop.cafeA alienghic@timeloop.cafe

                                      @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder

                                      It's one reason I'm annoyed by phrase "you people voted for Trump" (when posted on mastodon).

                                      Groups that heavily voted for Harris were Black women, LGBT people, people with postgraduate degrees, the religiously unaffiliated, and I think newspaper readers were also heavily biased against Trump, but I can't find a confirming reference right now.

                                      Those are all categories heavily over represented here on mastodon compared to the general population.

                                      There's not a lot of straight white people with a high school diploma who call themselves evangelical around here.

                                      We should be arguing about how to communicate to the mainstream not complaining about each other.

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                                      @alienghic @liferstate @fathermcgruder

                                      my feeling is we win by flipping nonvoters

                                      me yelling at a nonvoter on mastodon doesn't achieve that

                                      but there's plenty listening who i am not yelling at who, reading along, appreciate the point, and decide to vote

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        @fathermcgruder @SeanJH @liferstate

                                        how's that bullseye going under trump since he is now in power because so many didn't vote?

                                        what has been achieved by not voting on what you *say* you care about?

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                                        @benroyce @fathermcgruder @SeanJH Musk's destruction of USAID has already killed tens of thousands of people. It's projected he could cause as many as 14 million unnecessary deaths, the deaths of people who would've lived if the food and medicine they depended on hadn't been ripped away (and in some cases literally set on fire!!). This is also a genocide, and it was 100% preventable. All you had to do was vote for the Black lady.

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                                        • liferstate@mas.toL liferstate@mas.to

                                          @benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.

                                          In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.

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                                          @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder The problem of wasn't progressives. It was moderates shifting right because eggs were expensive.

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