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" #Democrats deliver ‘stunning’ flip in New Hampshire special election, latest in series of 28 upsets"

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  • liferstate@mas.toL liferstate@mas.to

    @benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.

    In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.

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    @liferstate @benroyce Listening does not mean agreeing. Come on now.

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    • kali@discuss.systemsK kali@discuss.systems

      @benroyce @fathermcgruder @proscience completely different idea: follow @kathhayhoe. she has done research on political engagement (re:climate) and the results were perfectly clear: when people see there is a way for change - they engage.

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      @kali @fathermcgruder @proscience @kathhayhoe

      right

      and mamdani is the lesson for all americans:

      the democratic establishment threw up roadblock after roadblock

      and people just kept on showing up and choosing mamdani

      they didn't sit around whining that the democratic establishment, of all places, isn't handing them magic perfect left candidate

      not voting is the *cause* of our problems, not an effect

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

        @proscience @fathermcgruder

        nonvoters are about masturbating their ego

        the things they say they care about are only topics to showcase an aspect of "purity" to themselves about themselves

        changing the world for the better doesn't mean a damn thing to them

        there is no such thing as morality without action

        and action is always messy in the real world

        they can't handle that

        so they choose the "purity" of doing nothing at all

        and imagine somehow that they are still moral

        nope. just ego

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        @benroyce @proscience @fathermcgruder yes, and I've seen these fucking "#Wedgies" that prefered to empower #Trump by refusing to vote…

        • IMHO these people should be forced to shut up for the next 4 years, as they clearly couldn't be assed to vote to at least slow the #Enshittification…
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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @fathermcgruder @kali @proscience

          you improve the world with sustained iterative action

          you #vote in the #primaries. get left #candidates. vote in the general. get #Democrats, left or not, to at least hold the line

          rinse, repeat

          what happens?

          things slowly move left

          the nonvoter waiting for magic pure leftist candidate from the dem establishment (!?) and wants perfection right now or they can't be bothered is a lazy entitled idiot watching fascism rise, with their help via their inaction

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          #140

          @benroyce @fathermcgruder @kali @proscience EXACTLY THAT!

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            @RustyRing @benroyce @fathermcgruder @kali @proscience that is the whole idea, as #UsefulIdiots refused to vote!

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @proscience @fathermcgruder

              nonvoters are about masturbating their ego

              the things they say they care about are only topics to showcase an aspect of "purity" to themselves about themselves

              changing the world for the better doesn't mean a damn thing to them

              there is no such thing as morality without action

              and action is always messy in the real world

              they can't handle that

              so they choose the "purity" of doing nothing at all

              and imagine somehow that they are still moral

              nope. just ego

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              @benroyce @proscience @fathermcgruder Non-voters are assholes. End of story.

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              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                @fathermcgruder @kali @proscience

                you improve the world with sustained iterative action

                you #vote in the #primaries. get left #candidates. vote in the general. get #Democrats, left or not, to at least hold the line

                rinse, repeat

                what happens?

                things slowly move left

                the nonvoter waiting for magic pure leftist candidate from the dem establishment (!?) and wants perfection right now or they can't be bothered is a lazy entitled idiot watching fascism rise, with their help via their inaction

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                @benroyce @fathermcgruder @proscience it is not even iterative, btw. the "mamdani effect" - let's call it that, is a positive feedback that increased his popularity exponentially. so there is that.

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                • fathermcgruder@jorts.horseF fathermcgruder@jorts.horse

                  @liferstate @benroyce Listening does not mean agreeing. Come on now.

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                  @fathermcgruder @liferstate

                  centrist dems aren't listening at all

                  we simply have to show up in the primaries and replace them

                  so any rationale that says "it is correct people should not vote until magic perfect candidate appears" is an inversion of reality and is only an approach that makes sure we drift further right

                  the simple reality is people need to show the fuck up in a giant mob and register the left candidate as their choice in their primaries

                  that is only way

                  #vote

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                  • fathermcgruder@jorts.horseF fathermcgruder@jorts.horse

                    @liferstate @benroyce Listening does not mean agreeing. Come on now.

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                    @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce

                    So opposing genocide is demanding "purity" now? The regime committing the genocide is a fascist regime. It is founded on exclusivity and ethno-supremacism. How does one support that and still oppose fascism?

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                    • seanjh@mstdn.caS seanjh@mstdn.ca

                      @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce

                      So opposing genocide is demanding "purity" now? The regime committing the genocide is a fascist regime. It is founded on exclusivity and ethno-supremacism. How does one support that and still oppose fascism?

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                      @SeanJH @fathermcgruder @liferstate

                      who are you responding to

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                      • P proscience@toot.community

                        @benroyce @fathermcgruder

                        "you get left candidates by showing up in the primaries and voting

                        centrist dems will learn nothing from low turnout."

                        Mind-boggling that these truths need to be said.

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                        @proscience @benroyce @fathermcgruder On Election Day 2020, I arrived at my polling place right after it opened at 6:00 a.m. The line to vote was down the block!

                        Four years later, I arrived at around the same time. However, I was the only person there besides the poll workers. I remember thinking, "This does not bode well." And boy, was I right!

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                        • deanfarrell@mstdn.plusD deanfarrell@mstdn.plus

                          @proscience @benroyce @fathermcgruder On Election Day 2020, I arrived at my polling place right after it opened at 6:00 a.m. The line to vote was down the block!

                          Four years later, I arrived at around the same time. However, I was the only person there besides the poll workers. I remember thinking, "This does not bode well." And boy, was I right!

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                          @DeanFarrell @proscience @fathermcgruder

                          we are suffering through 4 years of hell because of nonvoters

                          all this trump shit is their fault

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                          • liferstate@mas.toL liferstate@mas.to

                            @benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.

                            In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.

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                            @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder If I had a dollar for each time Black women have saved America from itself....

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @kali @fathermcgruder @proscience

                              the nonvoter doesn't care. what's most important to them is "teaching the centrist democrats a lesson." that's their priority. trans rights, womens rights, immigrants rights, iran, etc: not as important to them

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                              @benroyce @kali @fathermcgruder @proscience

                              Indeed. The people that nonvoters hurt the most are those for whom they profess support.

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                              • kali@discuss.systemsK kali@discuss.systems

                                @fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience sorry to be that blunt, but that is what spray tan hitler has planned for u.

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                                @kali @benroyce @proscience Besides complaints about the optics of blowing up a school, what are you seeing from Democratic leadership indicating that they are actually opposed to that plan?

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                                • seanjh@mstdn.caS seanjh@mstdn.ca

                                  @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce

                                  So opposing genocide is demanding "purity" now? The regime committing the genocide is a fascist regime. It is founded on exclusivity and ethno-supremacism. How does one support that and still oppose fascism?

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                                  @SeanJH @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce It's not "opposing genocide" to refuse to vote in an election where "cut off support for the country doing genocide or don't cut it off?" is not a question on the ballot.

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                                  • fathermcgruder@jorts.horseF fathermcgruder@jorts.horse

                                    @kali @benroyce @proscience Besides complaints about the optics of blowing up a school, what are you seeing from Democratic leadership indicating that they are actually opposed to that plan?

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                                    @fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience bro if you still think there is a plan i can't help u. good luck in life.

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                                    • kali@discuss.systemsK kali@discuss.systems

                                      @fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience bro if you still think there is a plan i can't help u. good luck in life.

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                                      @fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience you guys really have no idea what you have coming. 0. best of luck. 2008 will look like a walk in the park.

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                                      • fathermcgruder@jorts.horseF fathermcgruder@jorts.horse

                                        @kali @benroyce @proscience Besides complaints about the optics of blowing up a school, what are you seeing from Democratic leadership indicating that they are actually opposed to that plan?

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                                        @fathermcgruder @kali @proscience

                                        why do you care about what democratic leadership thinks?

                                        we show up in the primaries and replace them

                                        this is what i mean by entitlement: you're so fixated and obsessed with teaching centrist dems a lesson everything else matters less to you

                                        your entire topic is a red herring

                                        who gives a fuck what dem leadership thinks. just vote for left candidates in the primaries

                                        by changing the topic you're only showing you've lost the plot

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                                        • seanjh@mstdn.caS seanjh@mstdn.ca

                                          @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce

                                          So opposing genocide is demanding "purity" now? The regime committing the genocide is a fascist regime. It is founded on exclusivity and ethno-supremacism. How does one support that and still oppose fascism?

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                                          @SeanJH @liferstate @benroyce 🎯

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