" #Democrats deliver ‘stunning’ flip in New Hampshire special election, latest in series of 28 upsets"
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@miss_rodent @bBuck ok cool
Sorry
@benroyce @miss_rodent
No worries. My dad was a civics teacher in high school. I know very well how messy politics can be. It was also very difficult to skip school. -
@benroyce @miss_rodent
No worries. My dad was a civics teacher in high school. I know very well how messy politics can be. It was also very difficult to skip school.@bBuck @miss_rodent i apologize. I'm punch drunk. I deal with too many trolls
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@benroyce Dude you don't know anything about me or how or why I vote. That you assume I see voting or not-voting as a means stick it to someone or something reveals your own faulty understanding or disregard of material reality. If Democrats want leftists to vote for them, they just have to run candidates that clear some very low bars. These votes are much easier to get than those from conservatives.
you get left candidates by showing up in the primaries and voting then in
centrist dems will learn nothing from low turnout. they represent the people who show up to vote. who are centrist dems
this idea that not voting convinces anyone of anything is a troll psyop from right wingers or geopolitical forces
the idea not voting does anything except tweak an entitled selfish perfectionist's ego- and help MAGA win, is a form of stupidity or insanity i find hard to understand
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@benroyce @fathermcgruder Leftists didn’t like Hillary in 2016 or Kamala in 2024…see the pattern? These were all close elections. If we had won even 1 of them, everyone’s lives would have been better, and leftists would have had more space to push for change. Now we are fighting to survive. And millions of people all over the globe are dead who would still be alive.
Voting is harm reduction at worst, transformative at best. There’s nothing evil about reducing harm.2/
@benroyce @fathermcgruder After 50 years of activism and all of these disappointments, I have stopped looking to electoral politics as the main focus for transformative change. That comes from organizing in communities. Forcing elected officials to do the right thing. If you vote for the right people, they’re more likely to give in to the demands of communities, or do the least to block them. So I vote for the best possible available candidate and keep organizing. 3/
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@bBuck @miss_rodent i apologize. I'm punch drunk. I deal with too many trolls
@benroyce @miss_rodent
Zero problems. I’m pretty sure we’re voting in the same direction even though that direction isn’t completely clear at this time. -
@benroyce Of course, losing campaigns still pay very well, as demonstrated by Kamala's. It's questionable that they really want to win sometimes.
so we show up in the primaries and replace them
"i'm going to show i don't care very hard by not voting and thus magically turn a centrist into a leftist" is moronic beyond belief
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@benroyce @miss_rodent
Zero problems. I’m pretty sure we’re voting in the same direction even though that direction isn’t completely clear at this time. -
@benroyce @miss_rodent
Zero problems. I’m pretty sure we’re voting in the same direction even though that direction isn’t completely clear at this time.@bBuck @benroyce Ultimately, I am voting for the party not trying to kill me/people like me. Which for national elections means a democrat, even if they're a democrat I absolutely despise otherwise. There's not much choice in the matter.
For the primaries... depends on who actually runs, too early to say at this point. My local midterm election is not very complicated, my local congress rep is already better-than-average by dem standards. -
@bBuck @benroyce Ultimately, I am voting for the party not trying to kill me/people like me. Which for national elections means a democrat, even if they're a democrat I absolutely despise otherwise. There's not much choice in the matter.
For the primaries... depends on who actually runs, too early to say at this point. My local midterm election is not very complicated, my local congress rep is already better-than-average by dem standards. -
you get left candidates by showing up in the primaries and voting then in
centrist dems will learn nothing from low turnout. they represent the people who show up to vote. who are centrist dems
this idea that not voting convinces anyone of anything is a troll psyop from right wingers or geopolitical forces
the idea not voting does anything except tweak an entitled selfish perfectionist's ego- and help MAGA win, is a form of stupidity or insanity i find hard to understand
"you get left candidates by showing up in the primaries and voting
centrist dems will learn nothing from low turnout."
Mind-boggling that these truths need to be said.
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@bBuck @benroyce Ultimately, I am voting for the party not trying to kill me/people like me. Which for national elections means a democrat, even if they're a democrat I absolutely despise otherwise. There's not much choice in the matter.
For the primaries... depends on who actually runs, too early to say at this point. My local midterm election is not very complicated, my local congress rep is already better-than-average by dem standards.@miss_rodent @benroyce
You, me and my partner have a lot in common, then. -
@benroyce Dude you don't know anything about me or how or why I vote. That you assume I see voting or not-voting as a means stick it to someone or something reveals your own faulty understanding or disregard of material reality. If Democrats want leftists to vote for them, they just have to run candidates that clear some very low bars. These votes are much easier to get than those from conservatives.
so run more left candidates & win the Dem primary, like Mamdani did
i'm thrilled Mamdani won. but he could only win in a few places in the country
but Kamala is a decent person we can work with & move. the same way we moved Obama on gay marriage
but if the Dem nominee isn't perfectly aligned w/ you, you take your ball and go home.
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so we show up in the primaries and replace them
"i'm going to show i don't care very hard by not voting and thus magically turn a centrist into a leftist" is moronic beyond belief
@benroyce No argument from me about voting in primary elections. However, counting on left leaning people to vote blue no matter who in general elections is a moronic mistake. It simply does matter who.
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"you get left candidates by showing up in the primaries and voting
centrist dems will learn nothing from low turnout."
Mind-boggling that these truths need to be said.
nonvoters are about masturbating their ego
the things they say they care about are only topics to showcase an aspect of "purity" to themselves about themselves
changing the world for the better doesn't mean a damn thing to them
there is no such thing as morality without action
and action is always messy in the real world
they can't handle that
so they choose the "purity" of doing nothing at all
and imagine somehow that they are still moral
nope. just ego
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nonvoters are about masturbating their ego
the things they say they care about are only topics to showcase an aspect of "purity" to themselves about themselves
changing the world for the better doesn't mean a damn thing to them
there is no such thing as morality without action
and action is always messy in the real world
they can't handle that
so they choose the "purity" of doing nothing at all
and imagine somehow that they are still moral
nope. just ego
@benroyce @proscience @fathermcgruder but isn't that the exact definition of learned helplessnes?
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@benroyce No argument from me about voting in primary elections. However, counting on left leaning people to vote blue no matter who in general elections is a moronic mistake. It simply does matter who.
i completely understand the existence of morons who won't vote strategically, and hew to an idiotic conception of purity as their standard. and thus allow the country to fall to fascism since that is the only real world effect of their nonvote, no matter their motivations
trolls understand that too. that's why you see so much high holy indignation based on perfectionism
the only value of these useless lumps you think are making valid choices is helping MAGA
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@benroyce @proscience @fathermcgruder but isn't that the exact definition of learned helplessnes?
@kali @proscience @fathermcgruder
no argument. it's a complex topic. cynicism, perfectionism, helplessness... it's a troll psyop to suppress the left vote
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@kali @proscience @fathermcgruder
no argument. it's a complex topic. cynicism, perfectionism, helplessness... it's a troll psyop to suppress the left vote
@benroyce @proscience @fathermcgruder it's a good one, not gonna lie. taps right into the moment.
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@kali @proscience @fathermcgruder
no argument. it's a complex topic. cynicism, perfectionism, helplessness... it's a troll psyop to suppress the left vote
@benroyce @kali @proscience what is more helpless than voting for a party's candidate no matter what, even when they rub it in your face that they support material interests that are antithetical to yours?
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@benroyce @kali @proscience what is more helpless than voting for a party's candidate no matter what, even when they rub it in your face that they support material interests that are antithetical to yours?
@fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience the q whether or not you want to die in iran.
