" #Democrats deliver ‘stunning’ flip in New Hampshire special election, latest in series of 28 upsets"
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you get left candidates by showing up in the primaries and voting then in
centrist dems will learn nothing from low turnout. they represent the people who show up to vote. who are centrist dems
this idea that not voting convinces anyone of anything is a troll psyop from right wingers or geopolitical forces
the idea not voting does anything except tweak an entitled selfish perfectionist's ego- and help MAGA win, is a form of stupidity or insanity i find hard to understand
"you get left candidates by showing up in the primaries and voting
centrist dems will learn nothing from low turnout."
Mind-boggling that these truths need to be said.
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@bBuck @benroyce Ultimately, I am voting for the party not trying to kill me/people like me. Which for national elections means a democrat, even if they're a democrat I absolutely despise otherwise. There's not much choice in the matter.
For the primaries... depends on who actually runs, too early to say at this point. My local midterm election is not very complicated, my local congress rep is already better-than-average by dem standards.@miss_rodent @benroyce
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@benroyce Dude you don't know anything about me or how or why I vote. That you assume I see voting or not-voting as a means stick it to someone or something reveals your own faulty understanding or disregard of material reality. If Democrats want leftists to vote for them, they just have to run candidates that clear some very low bars. These votes are much easier to get than those from conservatives.
so run more left candidates & win the Dem primary, like Mamdani did
i'm thrilled Mamdani won. but he could only win in a few places in the country
but Kamala is a decent person we can work with & move. the same way we moved Obama on gay marriage
but if the Dem nominee isn't perfectly aligned w/ you, you take your ball and go home.
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so we show up in the primaries and replace them
"i'm going to show i don't care very hard by not voting and thus magically turn a centrist into a leftist" is moronic beyond belief
@benroyce No argument from me about voting in primary elections. However, counting on left leaning people to vote blue no matter who in general elections is a moronic mistake. It simply does matter who.
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"you get left candidates by showing up in the primaries and voting
centrist dems will learn nothing from low turnout."
Mind-boggling that these truths need to be said.
nonvoters are about masturbating their ego
the things they say they care about are only topics to showcase an aspect of "purity" to themselves about themselves
changing the world for the better doesn't mean a damn thing to them
there is no such thing as morality without action
and action is always messy in the real world
they can't handle that
so they choose the "purity" of doing nothing at all
and imagine somehow that they are still moral
nope. just ego
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nonvoters are about masturbating their ego
the things they say they care about are only topics to showcase an aspect of "purity" to themselves about themselves
changing the world for the better doesn't mean a damn thing to them
there is no such thing as morality without action
and action is always messy in the real world
they can't handle that
so they choose the "purity" of doing nothing at all
and imagine somehow that they are still moral
nope. just ego
@benroyce @proscience @fathermcgruder but isn't that the exact definition of learned helplessnes?
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@benroyce No argument from me about voting in primary elections. However, counting on left leaning people to vote blue no matter who in general elections is a moronic mistake. It simply does matter who.
i completely understand the existence of morons who won't vote strategically, and hew to an idiotic conception of purity as their standard. and thus allow the country to fall to fascism since that is the only real world effect of their nonvote, no matter their motivations
trolls understand that too. that's why you see so much high holy indignation based on perfectionism
the only value of these useless lumps you think are making valid choices is helping MAGA
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@benroyce @proscience @fathermcgruder but isn't that the exact definition of learned helplessnes?
@kali @proscience @fathermcgruder
no argument. it's a complex topic. cynicism, perfectionism, helplessness... it's a troll psyop to suppress the left vote
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@kali @proscience @fathermcgruder
no argument. it's a complex topic. cynicism, perfectionism, helplessness... it's a troll psyop to suppress the left vote
@benroyce @proscience @fathermcgruder it's a good one, not gonna lie. taps right into the moment.
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@kali @proscience @fathermcgruder
no argument. it's a complex topic. cynicism, perfectionism, helplessness... it's a troll psyop to suppress the left vote
@benroyce @kali @proscience what is more helpless than voting for a party's candidate no matter what, even when they rub it in your face that they support material interests that are antithetical to yours?
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@benroyce @kali @proscience what is more helpless than voting for a party's candidate no matter what, even when they rub it in your face that they support material interests that are antithetical to yours?
@fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience the q whether or not you want to die in iran.
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@fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience the q whether or not you want to die in iran.
@fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience sorry to be that blunt, but that is what spray tan hitler has planned for u.
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i completely understand the existence of morons who won't vote strategically, and hew to an idiotic conception of purity as their standard. and thus allow the country to fall to fascism since that is the only real world effect of their nonvote, no matter their motivations
trolls understand that too. that's why you see so much high holy indignation based on perfectionism
the only value of these useless lumps you think are making valid choices is helping MAGA
@benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.
In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.
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@benroyce @kali @proscience what is more helpless than voting for a party's candidate no matter what, even when they rub it in your face that they support material interests that are antithetical to yours?
@fathermcgruder @kali @proscience
you improve the world with sustained iterative action
you #vote in the #primaries. get left #candidates. vote in the general. get #Democrats, left or not, to at least hold the line
rinse, repeat
what happens?
things slowly move left
the nonvoter waiting for magic pure leftist candidate from the dem establishment (!?) and wants perfection right now or they can't be bothered is a lazy entitled idiot watching fascism rise, with their help via their inaction
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i completely understand the existence of morons who won't vote strategically, and hew to an idiotic conception of purity as their standard. and thus allow the country to fall to fascism since that is the only real world effect of their nonvote, no matter their motivations
trolls understand that too. that's why you see so much high holy indignation based on perfectionism
the only value of these useless lumps you think are making valid choices is helping MAGA
@benroyce Individual voters cannot vote strategically. The math doesn't work that way. Strategy is for the campaigns. Attracting anti-genocide votes would be a good strategy for Democratic campaigns.
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@fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience sorry to be that blunt, but that is what spray tan hitler has planned for u.
@kali @fathermcgruder @proscience
the nonvoter doesn't care. what's most important to them is "teaching the centrist democrats a lesson." that's their priority. trans rights, womens rights, immigrants rights, iran, etc: not as important to them
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@benroyce Individual voters cannot vote strategically. The math doesn't work that way. Strategy is for the campaigns. Attracting anti-genocide votes would be a good strategy for Democratic campaigns.
again with the inversion of reality
*you* show up in the primaries and get us left candidates
you don't wait for left candidates to come from centrist dems
that's stupid and insane
bad candidates do not create nonvoters
nonvoters (especially in the primaries) create bad candidates
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@kali @fathermcgruder @proscience
the nonvoter doesn't care. what's most important to them is "teaching the centrist democrats a lesson." that's their priority. trans rights, womens rights, immigrants rights, iran, etc: not as important to them
@benroyce @fathermcgruder @proscience completely different idea: follow @kathhayhoe. she has done research on political engagement (re:climate) and the results were perfectly clear: when people see there is a way for change - they engage.
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@benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.
In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.
@liferstate @benroyce Listening does not mean agreeing. Come on now.
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@benroyce @fathermcgruder @proscience completely different idea: follow @kathhayhoe. she has done research on political engagement (re:climate) and the results were perfectly clear: when people see there is a way for change - they engage.
@kali @fathermcgruder @proscience @kathhayhoe
right
and mamdani is the lesson for all americans:
the democratic establishment threw up roadblock after roadblock
and people just kept on showing up and choosing mamdani
they didn't sit around whining that the democratic establishment, of all places, isn't handing them magic perfect left candidate
not voting is the *cause* of our problems, not an effect
