" #Democrats deliver ‘stunning’ flip in New Hampshire special election, latest in series of 28 upsets"
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@kali @fathermcgruder @proscience
the nonvoter doesn't care. what's most important to them is "teaching the centrist democrats a lesson." that's their priority. trans rights, womens rights, immigrants rights, iran, etc: not as important to them
@benroyce @kali @fathermcgruder @proscience
Indeed. The people that nonvoters hurt the most are those for whom they profess support.
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@fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience sorry to be that blunt, but that is what spray tan hitler has planned for u.
@kali @benroyce @proscience Besides complaints about the optics of blowing up a school, what are you seeing from Democratic leadership indicating that they are actually opposed to that plan?
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@fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce
So opposing genocide is demanding "purity" now? The regime committing the genocide is a fascist regime. It is founded on exclusivity and ethno-supremacism. How does one support that and still oppose fascism?
@SeanJH @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce It's not "opposing genocide" to refuse to vote in an election where "cut off support for the country doing genocide or don't cut it off?" is not a question on the ballot.
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@kali @benroyce @proscience Besides complaints about the optics of blowing up a school, what are you seeing from Democratic leadership indicating that they are actually opposed to that plan?
@fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience bro if you still think there is a plan i can't help u. good luck in life.
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@fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience bro if you still think there is a plan i can't help u. good luck in life.
@fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience you guys really have no idea what you have coming. 0. best of luck. 2008 will look like a walk in the park.
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@kali @benroyce @proscience Besides complaints about the optics of blowing up a school, what are you seeing from Democratic leadership indicating that they are actually opposed to that plan?
@fathermcgruder @kali @proscience
why do you care about what democratic leadership thinks?
we show up in the primaries and replace them
this is what i mean by entitlement: you're so fixated and obsessed with teaching centrist dems a lesson everything else matters less to you
your entire topic is a red herring
who gives a fuck what dem leadership thinks. just vote for left candidates in the primaries
by changing the topic you're only showing you've lost the plot
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@fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce
So opposing genocide is demanding "purity" now? The regime committing the genocide is a fascist regime. It is founded on exclusivity and ethno-supremacism. How does one support that and still oppose fascism?
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@fathermcgruder @SeanJH @liferstate
how's that bullseye going under trump since he is now in power because so many didn't vote?
what has been achieved by not voting on what you *say* you care about?
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@benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.
In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.
@liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder
LGBT people also preferred not being murdered.
"Among lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender voters, 86% cast their ballots for Vice President Kamala Harris, while 13% voted for Trump, according to NBC News exit polls."
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article295190254.html
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@liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder
LGBT people also preferred not being murdered.
"Among lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender voters, 86% cast their ballots for Vice President Kamala Harris, while 13% voted for Trump, according to NBC News exit polls."
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article295190254.html
@liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder
It's one reason I'm annoyed by phrase "you people voted for Trump" (when posted on mastodon).
Groups that heavily voted for Harris were Black women, LGBT people, people with postgraduate degrees, the religiously unaffiliated, and I think newspaper readers were also heavily biased against Trump, but I can't find a confirming reference right now.
Those are all categories heavily over represented here on mastodon compared to the general population.
There's not a lot of straight white people with a high school diploma who call themselves evangelical around here.
We should be arguing about how to communicate to the mainstream not complaining about each other.
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@SeanJH @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce It's not "opposing genocide" to refuse to vote in an election where "cut off support for the country doing genocide or don't cut it off?" is not a question on the ballot.
@dalias voting for any pro-genocide candidate sends the wrong feedback signal. We know now that the Democrats got the message: https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza
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@liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder
It's one reason I'm annoyed by phrase "you people voted for Trump" (when posted on mastodon).
Groups that heavily voted for Harris were Black women, LGBT people, people with postgraduate degrees, the religiously unaffiliated, and I think newspaper readers were also heavily biased against Trump, but I can't find a confirming reference right now.
Those are all categories heavily over represented here on mastodon compared to the general population.
There's not a lot of straight white people with a high school diploma who call themselves evangelical around here.
We should be arguing about how to communicate to the mainstream not complaining about each other.
@alienghic @liferstate @fathermcgruder
my feeling is we win by flipping nonvoters
me yelling at a nonvoter on mastodon doesn't achieve that
but there's plenty listening who i am not yelling at who, reading along, appreciate the point, and decide to vote
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@fathermcgruder @SeanJH @liferstate
how's that bullseye going under trump since he is now in power because so many didn't vote?
what has been achieved by not voting on what you *say* you care about?
@benroyce @fathermcgruder @SeanJH Musk's destruction of USAID has already killed tens of thousands of people. It's projected he could cause as many as 14 million unnecessary deaths, the deaths of people who would've lived if the food and medicine they depended on hadn't been ripped away (and in some cases literally set on fire!!). This is also a genocide, and it was 100% preventable. All you had to do was vote for the Black lady.
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@benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.
In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.
@liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder The problem of wasn't progressives. It was moderates shifting right because eggs were expensive.
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@dalias voting for any pro-genocide candidate sends the wrong feedback signal. We know now that the Democrats got the message: https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza
Hopefully, they will take heed on future campaigns.@fathermcgruder @dalias @SeanJH @liferstate
just, you know, fuck all the trans people, immigrants, women, {insert 1,000 other examples of death and damage domestically and internationally here, including in the middle east which you *say* you care about}, to make your point
which i don't even think was made. you allude to an article, and so what. some airhead centrist is going "well let's appeal to MAGA" about now
do i understand your entitlement obsession and callousness correctly?
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@liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder The problem of wasn't progressives. It was moderates shifting right because eggs were expensive.
@xenotrope @liferstate @fathermcgruder
they must be loving the gas prices about now
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@alienghic @liferstate @fathermcgruder
my feeling is we win by flipping nonvoters
me yelling at a nonvoter on mastodon doesn't achieve that
but there's plenty listening who i am not yelling at who, reading along, appreciate the point, and decide to vote
@benroyce @liferstate @fathermcgruder
I do think the lesson of Trump is that exciting your disaffected non-voting base can be more effective than chasing swing voters.
The mainstream democrats keep chasing swing voters, and they end up depressing their progressive core who then stays home. All I've got for this is vote in the primaries and support "progressive" organizing groups
I think to win elections we also need ways of countering the right wing bias in mainstream culture.
It'd be really good for us if the warner brother's / paramount merger fails.
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@benroyce @liferstate @fathermcgruder
I do think the lesson of Trump is that exciting your disaffected non-voting base can be more effective than chasing swing voters.
The mainstream democrats keep chasing swing voters, and they end up depressing their progressive core who then stays home. All I've got for this is vote in the primaries and support "progressive" organizing groups
I think to win elections we also need ways of countering the right wing bias in mainstream culture.
It'd be really good for us if the warner brother's / paramount merger fails.
@alienghic @liferstate @fathermcgruder
well of course we need more left candidates
but you can't depend upon centrist airheads going "how can we appeal to MAGA" to understand that
so you need to just replace them by leftist voters showing up in the primaries
mamdani is the blueprint
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@fathermcgruder @dalias @SeanJH @liferstate
just, you know, fuck all the trans people, immigrants, women, {insert 1,000 other examples of death and damage domestically and internationally here, including in the middle east which you *say* you care about}, to make your point
which i don't even think was made. you allude to an article, and so what. some airhead centrist is going "well let's appeal to MAGA" about now
do i understand your entitlement obsession and callousness correctly?
@benroyce @fathermcgruder @dalias @SeanJH Trans people who have the means to do so are fleeing the country right now. Not a metaphor. I'm in a pretty safe area and even I have an exit plan.
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@benroyce @fathermcgruder @dalias @SeanJH Trans people who have the means to do so are fleeing the country right now. Not a metaphor. I'm in a pretty safe area and even I have an exit plan.
@liferstate @fathermcgruder @dalias @SeanJH
that's what nonvoters gave us
