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Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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    #60

    @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

    100%

    and that's why we can't do purity tests on resistance

    purity tests destroy effective resistance

    effective resistance that isn't pure is not a betrayal

    we resist how we can, in the ways we can

    this isn't an argument against your words, i'm just harking back to the argument up higher

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    • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

      @benroyce @starlily Have you ever heard of the idea of disobedience?

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      #61

      @ariarhythmic @benroyce @starlily Great, fascism will make good Mastodon instances have the same status as BitTorrent trackers and pirate streaming websites!

      Well, the tracker I used to contribute for is still up even today, thus we may think disobedience is fine, they will not go for small instances. On the other hand, it's a false correlation: one thing is Crunchyroll, Netflix and other companies choosing not to go against small groups because they may die out of just from not getting enough donations, other thing is fascist governments. They are already going against individuals, people fear ICE, as an example.

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

        @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

        i yearly enjoy the services that sometimes say happy birthday to me...

        on the fake birthday i've been entering since forever

        🤭

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        #62

        @benroyce @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic LOL, yes. I am so used to fake birthdays that I have to make an extra effort to enter the correct one if needed.

        I oopsied my birthday for an online plane ticket booking after 9/11. No issue. Got to fly as booked.

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          #63

          @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

          well yeah

          and new gang recruits are asked to shoot someone in the head as they watch for much the same reason

          neither of which tell us much about the topic here

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

            the problem isn't mastodon it's your govt

            if mastodon servers don't implement age verification in those jurisdictions that make it law, those servers get shut down by that govt

            so you're blaming the wrong entity

            are you really asking servers to face legal punishment and then get shut down anyway?

            don't get me wrong: be angry

            *at your govt*

            not mastodon

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            #64

            @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox No, they cannot get shut down by a government they're not operating under. If there's a threat, move legal operations & hosting out of the jurisdiction and obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs. Don't fucking comply.

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            • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

              @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox No, they cannot get shut down by a government they're not operating under. If there's a threat, move legal operations & hosting out of the jurisdiction and obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs. Don't fucking comply.

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              #65

              @dalias @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

              that's not really true

              for many countries you have to follow the laws of *both* your home country and the country where your server resides

              of course that's not true for all countries

              but if let's say you're a citizen of the germany and your server is hosted in another country, germany just goes after you, it doesn't care

              "obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs"

              no. that's no protection

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              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                @dalias @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                that's not really true

                for many countries you have to follow the laws of *both* your home country and the country where your server resides

                of course that's not true for all countries

                but if let's say you're a citizen of the germany and your server is hosted in another country, germany just goes after you, it doesn't care

                "obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs"

                no. that's no protection

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                #66

                @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox None of that contradicts what I said. You don't run it as a citizen or resident of the hostile jurisdiction. You pass ownership to an entity in a safe location, and you put the fronting IP in a safe location. Physical servers can be somewhere else, but shouldn't be somewhere under the hostile jurisdiction unless you're confident there's no trail to them.

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                • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                  @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox None of that contradicts what I said. You don't run it as a citizen or resident of the hostile jurisdiction. You pass ownership to an entity in a safe location, and you put the fronting IP in a safe location. Physical servers can be somewhere else, but shouldn't be somewhere under the hostile jurisdiction unless you're confident there's no trail to them.

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                  #67

                  @dalias @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                  if you're already in a safe jurisdiction, yes, get your servers out of a bad jurisdiction, absolutely

                  but if you're in an unsafe jurisdiction, it doesn't matter where your servers are. if they want to target you, they'll target you, and no amount of obfuscation will protect you from that

                  of course if you're a small fish doing small fish things, you'll probably be fine for a long time

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    @dalias @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                    if you're already in a safe jurisdiction, yes, get your servers out of a bad jurisdiction, absolutely

                    but if you're in an unsafe jurisdiction, it doesn't matter where your servers are. if they want to target you, they'll target you, and no amount of obfuscation will protect you from that

                    of course if you're a small fish doing small fish things, you'll probably be fine for a long time

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                    #68

                    @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox You just make it so it's no longer you running it. It's been passed off to an entity legally incorporated someplace else, and your involvement is as a volunteer or contractor working with a foreign entity for which you have no authority to implement the type of "age verification" your government wants them to impose.

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                    • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                      @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox You just make it so it's no longer you running it. It's been passed off to an entity legally incorporated someplace else, and your involvement is as a volunteer or contractor working with a foreign entity for which you have no authority to implement the type of "age verification" your government wants them to impose.

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                      #69

                      @dalias @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                      so let's say i'm in the uk. you expect me to set up in let's say canada

                      under someone else's name? what? you have those kinds of connections?

                      nevermind the added cost

                      also the effort will trigger more interest in you than if you never tried it. when they find out you're just trying to avoid age verification they'll laugh

                      you think govts aren't used to this kind of intrigue from dealing with crypto/ gambling/ silkroad/ pedophile rings/ etc?

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                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                        @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox

                        i have a better idea:

                        do what valve does

                        you need a credit card

                        they run a $0 authorization

                        *no id docs needed*

                        the server doesn't deal with sensitive data

                        even better:

                        now your cc is attached to your mastodon profile

                        your cc is right there for donating to the server later

                        as more people should be doing

                        snag:

                        germany doesn't consider a cc legally acceptable

                        but other jurisdictions do

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                        @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

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                        @benroyce @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron it is to utter idea, I don’t want to have amd I know a lot of people who doesn’t want to have credit cards and are completely ok with Debit Cards. 1. There are people who do not want to be formally in debt, 2. There are people who do not want to be formally in higher loan to salary ratio. (Yes when I was asking for mortgage, I got rid of CC, because it was literally increasing my debt to salary ratio even when it is not used, by its credit limits) and as last thing asking gamers (and yes gaming is addictive) when there are games with concept of in game payments for credit card is just wrong. It shall be regulated the same way as online gambling is.

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                          @LukefromDC @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic In case of mastodon you don’t need to possess ID, there are several KYC services, who verifies your customer and issue proof he is eg age verified. And you never posses any ID, CC etc. I would say this will be smaller burden (perhaps even cheaper) that setting whole payment infrastructure.

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                          • janantos@f.czJ janantos@f.cz

                            @benroyce @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron it is to utter idea, I don’t want to have amd I know a lot of people who doesn’t want to have credit cards and are completely ok with Debit Cards. 1. There are people who do not want to be formally in debt, 2. There are people who do not want to be formally in higher loan to salary ratio. (Yes when I was asking for mortgage, I got rid of CC, because it was literally increasing my debt to salary ratio even when it is not used, by its credit limits) and as last thing asking gamers (and yes gaming is addictive) when there are games with concept of in game payments for credit card is just wrong. It shall be regulated the same way as online gambling is.

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                            @janantos @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                            It's entirely possible to own a credit card and not use it

                            The point is to solve the problem of age verification without asking anyone's age, and using cc solves that problem

                            But you also want to solve the problem of addictive personalities who wind up stuck on gambling?

                            What

                            You ask far too much

                            Nothing can function in this world on this level of concern

                            Scope your concerns to reasonable goals please

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                            • janantos@f.czJ janantos@f.cz

                              @LukefromDC @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic In case of mastodon you don’t need to possess ID, there are several KYC services, who verifies your customer and issue proof he is eg age verified. And you never posses any ID, CC etc. I would say this will be smaller burden (perhaps even cheaper) that setting whole payment infrastructure.

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                              @janantos @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                              You're talking about decentralized identity

                              You can see vestiges of that in the project's history

                              So it looks like they abandoned that

                              Perhaps because it's not up to snuff yet?

                              But I don't know, I'm not up to speed

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                              • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                                @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox You just make it so it's no longer you running it. It's been passed off to an entity legally incorporated someplace else, and your involvement is as a volunteer or contractor working with a foreign entity for which you have no authority to implement the type of "age verification" your government wants them to impose.

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                                @dalias
                                Thank you for standing up for what is right. It is terrible seeing the excuses.

                                @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

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                                • vervain@sunny.gardenV vervain@sunny.garden

                                  @dalias
                                  Thank you for standing up for what is right. It is terrible seeing the excuses.

                                  @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

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                                  @vervain @dalias @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                                  it's about what works or not

                                  there isn't excuses, there's dealing with reality

                                  if someone wants to be pure and not deal with reality, ok

                                  but the rest of us are trying to deal with the bullshit

                                  and for that, i suppose we're a vast evil

                                  🙄

                                  same old toxic idealism, not achieving shit, but sure good at whining

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                                  • P pablomuyo@mastodon.social

                                    @Mastodon @mellifluousbox Mastodon could aspire to replace X in Europe (given the current situation in the U.S. and the state of X). It is urgent that it include translation capabilities for this multilingual region

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                                    @pablomuyo @Mastodon @mellifluousbox what do you mean? Libretranslate works well on my instance for translating posts

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                                    • mastodon@mastodon.socialM mastodon@mastodon.social

                                      Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026. Stay tuned this week for more.

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                                      Connecting the world through thriving online communities

                                      A message from our Executive Director about Mastodon's vision and mission.

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                                      Mastodon Blog (blog.joinmastodon.org)

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                                      @Mastodon do not, I repeat DO NOT attempt to implement age verification. You’ll kill the platform. See: Discord.

                                      Decentralised, federated networks are one of the few bastions from which we can fight this. Don’t throw that away.

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        @iju @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                                        looking at the emoji in aria's profile, not knowing if they are trans, but if they are i understand why they feel threatened by id checks

                                        if i were trans i would feel intensely threatened, physically, mortally, by id checks

                                        especially in countries like my like stupid fucking country (the usa)

                                        at the same time:

                                        if i *really* cared about id checks, i wouldn't be attacking the wrong entity

                                        aria's heart is in the right place but their brain is AWOL

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                                        #78

                                        @benroyce fuck you, average mastodon dot social user

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @vervain @dalias @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                                          it's about what works or not

                                          there isn't excuses, there's dealing with reality

                                          if someone wants to be pure and not deal with reality, ok

                                          but the rest of us are trying to deal with the bullshit

                                          and for that, i suppose we're a vast evil

                                          🙄

                                          same old toxic idealism, not achieving shit, but sure good at whining

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                                          @benroyce @vervain @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox You're trying to deal with defeat before it even happens. Governments DGAF about your Mastodon instance. But they're happy to have you complying in advance.

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