Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.
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@ariarhythmic @benroyce @Mastodon @mellifluousbox
Your definition may of course vary, but if age-check in itself is fascism, it becomes hard to run any community or society where people don't know a lot about each other by other means.
(Eg. a small town pub where "everybody knows your name".)
The question of fascism comes up when we start talking about how the age-check is made, and what other information gets shared in addition to age. Or how that age-check can be misused, even in theory.
@iju @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox
looking at the emoji in aria's profile, not knowing if they are trans, but if they are i understand why they feel threatened by id checks
if i were trans i would feel intensely threatened, physically, mortally, by id checks
especially in countries like my like stupid fucking country (the usa)
at the same time:
if i *really* cared about id checks, i wouldn't be attacking the wrong entity
aria's heart is in the right place but their brain is AWOL
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@iju @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox
looking at the emoji in aria's profile, not knowing if they are trans, but if they are i understand why they feel threatened by id checks
if i were trans i would feel intensely threatened, physically, mortally, by id checks
especially in countries like my like stupid fucking country (the usa)
at the same time:
if i *really* cared about id checks, i wouldn't be attacking the wrong entity
aria's heart is in the right place but their brain is AWOL
@benroyce @iju @Mastodon @mellifluousbox my point is when a fascist orders you do a fascist thing and you do as you're told, you're a moral failure.
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so disobey
run a server
do not abide by id checks
then the govt shows up
now you are REALLY identified to the authorities
aria:
if you are trans (just going off the emoji in your profile), i understand why id checks are threatening to you. physically. mortally even
your heart is in the right place
but your brain is completely missing!
go after your government!
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so disobey
run a server
do not abide by id checks
then the govt shows up
now you are REALLY identified to the authorities
aria:
if you are trans (just going off the emoji in your profile), i understand why id checks are threatening to you. physically. mortally even
your heart is in the right place
but your brain is completely missing!
go after your government!
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@benroyce @iju @Mastodon @mellifluousbox my point is when a fascist orders you do a fascist thing and you do as you're told, you're a moral failure.
@ariarhythmic @iju @Mastodon @mellifluousbox
aria:
go
run a server
don't comply with id checks
watch what happens
nobody is standing in your way
do it
but might i suggest you vote, organize, and agitate to fight id laws?
if you really cared?
do you think walking up to a fascist and asking to be shot is effective resistance?
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because it's tactically moronic
you're not asking for resistance, you're demanding admins stand up and ask fascists to shoot them
this is not brave, this is not strong, it's fucking stupid
in resistance you think *strategy* and *tactics* because you want to be *effective*
right?
do you think grandstanding on social media with cringe foolish ineffective demands is anything remotely like that?
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@iju @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox
looking at the emoji in aria's profile, not knowing if they are trans, but if they are i understand why they feel threatened by id checks
if i were trans i would feel intensely threatened, physically, mortally, by id checks
especially in countries like my like stupid fucking country (the usa)
at the same time:
if i *really* cared about id checks, i wouldn't be attacking the wrong entity
aria's heart is in the right place but their brain is AWOL
@benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox
Yeah, I noticed the emoji, and I do understand they're problably really raw about the developments of the past few years. Particularly if they're in the States.
Opposing fascism is really healthy! I'm just concerned that jumping the gun with the GmbH leads to being ignored when sensible applications of age-checks (and what happens if you don't participate) are done.
This seems paramount.
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@benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox
Yeah, I noticed the emoji, and I do understand they're problably really raw about the developments of the past few years. Particularly if they're in the States.
Opposing fascism is really healthy! I'm just concerned that jumping the gun with the GmbH leads to being ignored when sensible applications of age-checks (and what happens if you don't participate) are done.
This seems paramount.
@benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox
Taking the hard-line with fascism is healthy, but pushing others to any course of action without knowing the cost to them seems non-strategic. (In this case: turning GmbH into latter-day Pirate Bay.)
No one battle will defeat fascism, but not fighting isn't the answer either. To push the allegory to the breaking point, we want sabotage and raiding, not cause a Verdun that will consume our future as surely as fascism will..
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@benroyce @iju @Mastodon @mellifluousbox my point is when a fascist orders you do a fascist thing and you do as you're told, you're a moral failure.
@ariarhythmic @benroyce @Mastodon @mellifluousbox
True, but have you considered that there are more ways to oppose fascist orders than just not applying them?
It's often much safer and/or profitable to implement a solution that follows the letter of the order and not the spirit.
Particularly in a situation like this where the order of implementation doesn't come from the fascists, or even (I think it's safe to say) collaborators.
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@benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox
Yeah, I noticed the emoji, and I do understand they're problably really raw about the developments of the past few years. Particularly if they're in the States.
Opposing fascism is really healthy! I'm just concerned that jumping the gun with the GmbH leads to being ignored when sensible applications of age-checks (and what happens if you don't participate) are done.
This seems paramount.
@iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox
i have a better idea:
do what valve does
you need a credit card
they run a $0 authorization
*no id docs needed*
the server doesn't deal with sensitive data
even better:
now your cc is attached to your mastodon profile
your cc is right there for donating to the server later
as more people should be doing
snag:
germany doesn't consider a cc legally acceptable
but other jurisdictions do
Steam UK users will now need a credit card to access mature content due to the Online Safety Act
Valve recently put up a new support page, detailing the steps they've taken to comply with the UK Online Safety Act.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
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@iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox
i have a better idea:
do what valve does
you need a credit card
they run a $0 authorization
*no id docs needed*
the server doesn't deal with sensitive data
even better:
now your cc is attached to your mastodon profile
your cc is right there for donating to the server later
as more people should be doing
snag:
germany doesn't consider a cc legally acceptable
but other jurisdictions do
Steam UK users will now need a credit card to access mature content due to the Online Safety Act
Valve recently put up a new support page, detailing the steps they've taken to comply with the UK Online Safety Act.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@benroyce @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron i think they are discussing that they may have to perform verification on their own servers: mastodon.social. I don’t think they can enforce verification on other servers.
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@Mastodon @mellifluousbox Mastodon could aspire to replace X in Europe (given the current situation in the U.S. and the state of X). It is urgent that it include translation capabilities for this multilingual region
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@benroyce @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron i think they are discussing that they may have to perform verification on their own servers: mastodon.social. I don’t think they can enforce verification on other servers.
@meowki @benroyce @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron
Just so.
Also worth noting that some countries (at least my own) are enabling age-verification because you can't trust algorithms to show stuff people want/should see. If this is taken into account in the legistlation (which is still being written), then it wouldn't even apply to Mastodon.
Similar use-cases are probably found in other EU-countries, if not in Germany?
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@benroyce @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron i think they are discussing that they may have to perform verification on their own servers: mastodon.social. I don’t think they can enforce verification on other servers.
@meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron
My understanding is that they will be making the software updates available to other servers that are also forced to comply or get shut down. Is my understanding wrong? It could be
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@meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron
My understanding is that they will be making the software updates available to other servers that are also forced to comply or get shut down. Is my understanding wrong? It could be
@benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic
1. Mastodon's code already includes a setting which server admins can enable to set a minimum age for their server, which will ask for a date of birth to be entered during sign-up. The date of birth is not stored, only checked once. This has been part of Mastodon's code since multiple months now: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/34150
2. What they say in the blog is that they will audit the GmbH's own servers, which probably includes an audit of this feature.
3. The interesting stuff is what that "working group" will come up with.
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@benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic
1. Mastodon's code already includes a setting which server admins can enable to set a minimum age for their server, which will ask for a date of birth to be entered during sign-up. The date of birth is not stored, only checked once. This has been part of Mastodon's code since multiple months now: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/34150
2. What they say in the blog is that they will audit the GmbH's own servers, which probably includes an audit of this feature.
3. The interesting stuff is what that "working group" will come up with.
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@benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic
1. Mastodon's code already includes a setting which server admins can enable to set a minimum age for their server, which will ask for a date of birth to be entered during sign-up. The date of birth is not stored, only checked once. This has been part of Mastodon's code since multiple months now: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/34150
2. What they say in the blog is that they will audit the GmbH's own servers, which probably includes an audit of this feature.
3. The interesting stuff is what that "working group" will come up with.
@nitrml @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Age verification won't, of course, stop someone from setting up their own server.
... which, at least regarding the federation choices this little node will be making... Is enough of its own age-gating process that we will welcome all nodes regardless of age of their admins.
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@nitrml @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Age verification won't, of course, stop someone from setting up their own server.
... which, at least regarding the federation choices this little node will be making... Is enough of its own age-gating process that we will welcome all nodes regardless of age of their admins.
@mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic
which is great of you, thank you
...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction
so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them
and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it
the problem is govt
not mastodon admins
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@mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic
which is great of you, thank you
...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction
so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them
and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it
the problem is govt
not mastodon admins
@benroyce @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic All of this is very good insight.
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@LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron
which is all fine and good, because you're talking tactics not emotional grand standing
what you won't do therefore is attack some admin of a server of thousands or more for doing what they *have* to do so the govt doesn't knock on their door
