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So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works.

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  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

    So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

    Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

    gvs@rebelbase.siteG This user is from outside of this forum
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    @GossiTheDog I'd be highly surprised if it didn't have a backdoor. Microsoft is not a company you should trust
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    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

      So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

      Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

      kallisti@infosec.exchangeK This user is from outside of this forum
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      @GossiTheDog

      I was worried I'd run out of tools that do not require opening a computer/laptop case, now that Microsoft's planning to patch Bitpixie this year.

      But Windows is a gift that just keeps on giving

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      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

        So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

        Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

        gerowen@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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        @GossiTheDog I always assumed anything that could unlock an encrypted drive with no password or other authentication from the user could be bypassed. I figured if you don't have to enter a password, you have to assume that neither does anybody else.

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        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

          So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

          Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

          avery@furry.engineerA This user is from outside of this forum
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          @GossiTheDog hi just out of curiosity why would a bios password help / be required? is that only for if pcr7 isn't bound?

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          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

            So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

            Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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            tanavit@toot.aquilenet.fr
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            Poc @sebsauvage

            @GossiTheDog

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            • T tanavit@toot.aquilenet.fr

              Poc @sebsauvage

              @GossiTheDog

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              @tanavit @GossiTheDog
              Haha oui j'ai vu passer ça, ainsi qu'une faille RCE dans Word.

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              • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                @GossiTheDog why is Microsoft so lazy when it comes to developing mission critical software

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                • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                  @mkoek @GossiTheDog you can also usually get the same general result in this config by poking the motherboard with a logic analyser and dumping the TPM data off the bus.

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                  @gsuberland @mkoek @GossiTheDog Unless Microsoft made another mistake this shouldn't be possible. Accessing disk encryption keys should always use what is called a "salted session", where the communication between TPM and application is encrypted, precisely to prevent passive attacks on the bus.

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                  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                    So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                    Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                    @GossiTheDog

                    @drm Plus besoin de s'embêter à faire du TPM sniffing

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                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                      So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                      Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                      @GossiTheDog thanks God i can recover an Old ssd whose bitlocker key is somewhere in the short-circuited mainboard Something Something Secure Module and I happen to not have a backup of that specific bitlocker key

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                      • s1m@infosec.exchangeS s1m@infosec.exchange

                        @GossiTheDog

                        @drm Plus besoin de s'embêter à faire du TPM sniffing

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                        @S1m @GossiTheDog testé hier par un collègue, ça marche bien ! Mais ça va être rapidement patché... 😭

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                        • drm@mastodon.socialD drm@mastodon.social

                          @S1m @GossiTheDog testé hier par un collègue, ça marche bien ! Mais ça va être rapidement patché... 😭

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                          @drm @GossiTheDog Toujours à la pointe les collègues. C'est pas un patch qui nécessite une mise à jour des certifs secureboot ça ? Le genre de mise à jour qui est toujours retardée

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                          • s1m@infosec.exchangeS s1m@infosec.exchange

                            @drm @GossiTheDog Toujours à la pointe les collègues. C'est pas un patch qui nécessite une mise à jour des certifs secureboot ça ? Le genre de mise à jour qui est toujours retardée

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                            @S1m @GossiTheDog 💪🏼. Je crois que tu confonds avec cette vuln https://github.com/garatc/BitUnlocker

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                            • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                              So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                              Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                              @GossiTheDog I suspect you have that NSA key set. 😉

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                              • drm@mastodon.socialD drm@mastodon.social

                                @S1m @GossiTheDog 💪🏼. Je crois que tu confonds avec cette vuln https://github.com/garatc/BitUnlocker

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                                @drm @GossiTheDog Ah bah j'ai toujours cru que Bitlocker était by-design vuln aux downgrade attacks

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                                • prsfalken@mastodon.socialP prsfalken@mastodon.social

                                  @barubary @GossiTheDog It might be a "We've to deliver this and test this quicker" and someone forgot to remove.

                                  A backdoor implies planning and we're talking about Microsoft.

                                  I'd bet for bad QA and controls and lazy development with a pinch of "hurry, deliver now"

                                  Which is ... Worse?

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                                  @prsfalken @barubary @GossiTheDog they’re excellent at planning Copilot and spyware integrations, though.

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                                  • splinux@mastodon.unoS splinux@mastodon.uno

                                    @GossiTheDog thanks God i can recover an Old ssd whose bitlocker key is somewhere in the short-circuited mainboard Something Something Secure Module and I happen to not have a backup of that specific bitlocker key

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                                    @splinux @GossiTheDog my mom sent me an old ssd in the same situation. Haven't been able to recover her data from it so far. 😞

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                                    • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                                      @mkoek @GossiTheDog you can also usually get the same general result in this config by poking the motherboard with a logic analyser and dumping the TPM data off the bus.

                                      rairii@labyrinth.zoneR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @gsuberland @mkoek @GossiTheDog not always - this wouldn't work with a "firmware TPM" implementation in IntelME/AMD PSP or in Pluton for example
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                                      • rairii@labyrinth.zoneR rairii@labyrinth.zone
                                        @gsuberland @mkoek @GossiTheDog not always - this wouldn't work with a "firmware TPM" implementation in IntelME/AMD PSP or in Pluton for example
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                                        @Rairii @GossiTheDog @mkoek yeah, I was just thinking "hm I should edit that post from yesterday to mention fTPMs"

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                                        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                          For anybody looking at this, testing showed two things:

                                          - TPM unlocked the storage
                                          - it provides a login bypass, as you’re dumped as SYSTEM prior to Windows Hello or password login

                                          BitLocker operates without a PIN by default so it’s basically a big gap, it’s unclear how this code made it into the production version of Windows.

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                                          @GossiTheDog

                                          • it provides a login bypass, as you’re dumped as SYSTEM prior to Windows Hello or password login

                                          Technically you're running in WinPE with unlocked 😄 drive.

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