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So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works.

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  • gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.luG gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.lu

    @gsuberland @kirenida @GossiTheDog It could maybe restore my windows where bitlocker prompts me for the key which I have forgotten. Or I get that prompt because my TPM forgot the key, and that's then not possible.
    Anyway, running linux now.

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    @gunstick @kirenida @GossiTheDog nope. it needs a functioning TPM with the right key, and BitLocker in no password mode. this is only functionally a login bypass.

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    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

      So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

      Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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      @GossiTheDog
      Oh wow, a backdoor in a Microsoft product, much wow \s

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      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

        So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

        Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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        @GossiTheDog I am shocked. Shocked I say!

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        • jimmyhoke@fosstodon.orgJ jimmyhoke@fosstodon.org

          @GossiTheDog I am shocked. Shocked I say!

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          @GossiTheDog

          Rememeber: never ask “is this Microsoft security product backdoored?”

          Instead ask: “how exactly is it backdoored? How many back doors are there?”

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          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

            So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

            Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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            @GossiTheDog i wouldn't be surprised if this was supposed to only be built in certain branches via velocity configuration, and someone fucked up when merging some other changes in
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            • jimmyhoke@fosstodon.orgJ jimmyhoke@fosstodon.org

              @GossiTheDog

              Rememeber: never ask “is this Microsoft security product backdoored?”

              Instead ask: “how exactly is it backdoored? How many back doors are there?”

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              @GossiTheDog Also: that’s worse?

              - Microsoft and intentionally backdooring BitLocker
              - Microsoft unintentionally backdooring bitlocker

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              • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                @GossiTheDog great

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                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                  I think my prior toot on NightmareEclipse auto deleted so to make a perm one - it isn’t me. I suspect it’s somebody who used to work at MSFT, who departed after my era.

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                  For anybody looking at this, testing showed two things:

                  - TPM unlocked the storage
                  - it provides a login bypass, as you’re dumped as SYSTEM prior to Windows Hello or password login

                  BitLocker operates without a PIN by default so it’s basically a big gap, it’s unclear how this code made it into the production version of Windows.

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                  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                    For anybody looking at this, testing showed two things:

                    - TPM unlocked the storage
                    - it provides a login bypass, as you’re dumped as SYSTEM prior to Windows Hello or password login

                    BitLocker operates without a PIN by default so it’s basically a big gap, it’s unclear how this code made it into the production version of Windows.

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                    I should point out I’ve only tested with one version of Windows 11 - maybe the scope is smaller.

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                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                      So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                      Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                      @GossiTheDog I'd be highly surprised if it didn't have a backdoor. Microsoft is not a company you should trust
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                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                        So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                        Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                        @GossiTheDog

                        I was worried I'd run out of tools that do not require opening a computer/laptop case, now that Microsoft's planning to patch Bitpixie this year.

                        But Windows is a gift that just keeps on giving

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                        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                          So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                          Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                          @GossiTheDog I always assumed anything that could unlock an encrypted drive with no password or other authentication from the user could be bypassed. I figured if you don't have to enter a password, you have to assume that neither does anybody else.

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                          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                            So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                            Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                            @GossiTheDog hi just out of curiosity why would a bios password help / be required? is that only for if pcr7 isn't bound?

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                            • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                              So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                              Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                              Poc @sebsauvage

                              @GossiTheDog

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                              • T tanavit@toot.aquilenet.fr

                                Poc @sebsauvage

                                @GossiTheDog

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                                @tanavit @GossiTheDog
                                Haha oui j'ai vu passer ça, ainsi qu'une faille RCE dans Word.

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                                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                  So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                  Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                  @GossiTheDog why is Microsoft so lazy when it comes to developing mission critical software

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                                  • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                                    @mkoek @GossiTheDog you can also usually get the same general result in this config by poking the motherboard with a logic analyser and dumping the TPM data off the bus.

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                                    @gsuberland @mkoek @GossiTheDog Unless Microsoft made another mistake this shouldn't be possible. Accessing disk encryption keys should always use what is called a "salted session", where the communication between TPM and application is encrypted, precisely to prevent passive attacks on the bus.

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                                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                      So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                      Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                      @GossiTheDog

                                      @drm Plus besoin de s'embêter à faire du TPM sniffing

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                                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                        So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                        Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                        @GossiTheDog thanks God i can recover an Old ssd whose bitlocker key is somewhere in the short-circuited mainboard Something Something Secure Module and I happen to not have a backup of that specific bitlocker key

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                                        • s1m@infosec.exchangeS s1m@infosec.exchange

                                          @GossiTheDog

                                          @drm Plus besoin de s'embêter à faire du TPM sniffing

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                                          @S1m @GossiTheDog testé hier par un collègue, ça marche bien ! Mais ça va être rapidement patché... 😭

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