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So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works.

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  • mkoek@mastodon.nlM mkoek@mastodon.nl

    @gsuberland @GossiTheDog oh right, sorry didn’t notice it there 🙂 and how do you click restart without being already in? Not a Windows user, I’m sure you can tell

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    @mkoek @GossiTheDog I'm pretty sure this only bypasses the bitlocker config where there's no password, just a key held by the TPM, which is supposed to protect against offline attacks (e.g. unplug your disk and plug it into another machine). so what you do is boot the victim system up to the login screen, follow the procedure here, and it drops you into cmd after bitlocker unlocks. so it really functions more like a login bypass than what most people would think when you say "bitlocker bypass".

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    • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

      @mkoek @GossiTheDog I'm pretty sure this only bypasses the bitlocker config where there's no password, just a key held by the TPM, which is supposed to protect against offline attacks (e.g. unplug your disk and plug it into another machine). so what you do is boot the victim system up to the login screen, follow the procedure here, and it drops you into cmd after bitlocker unlocks. so it really functions more like a login bypass than what most people would think when you say "bitlocker bypass".

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      @mkoek @GossiTheDog you can also usually get the same general result in this config by poking the motherboard with a logic analyser and dumping the TPM data off the bus.

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      • kirenida@social.linux.pizzaK kirenida@social.linux.pizza

        @GossiTheDog could this be used to unlock a drive taken from a dead laptop/pc, when the user doesn't have the bitlocker key saved?

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        @kirenida @GossiTheDog no.

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        • kirenida@social.linux.pizzaK kirenida@social.linux.pizza

          @GossiTheDog could this be used to unlock a drive taken from a dead laptop/pc, when the user doesn't have the bitlocker key saved?

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          @kirenida @GossiTheDog if the drive is still in the dead system you'd be better off trying to get it to a point where it'll boot to the point of the TPM being read.

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          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

            I think my prior toot on NightmareEclipse auto deleted so to make a perm one - it isn’t me. I suspect it’s somebody who used to work at MSFT, who departed after my era.

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            @GossiTheDog It did cross my mind that this could perhaps be the person who used to drop 0-days on Twitter a few years ago when they were having a bad day.

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            • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

              @kirenida @GossiTheDog no.

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              @gsuberland @kirenida @GossiTheDog It could maybe restore my windows where bitlocker prompts me for the key which I have forgotten. Or I get that prompt because my TPM forgot the key, and that's then not possible.
              Anyway, running linux now.

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              • prsfalken@mastodon.socialP prsfalken@mastodon.social

                @barubary @GossiTheDog It might be a "We've to deliver this and test this quicker" and someone forgot to remove.

                A backdoor implies planning and we're talking about Microsoft.

                I'd bet for bad QA and controls and lazy development with a pinch of "hurry, deliver now"

                Which is ... Worse?

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                @prsfalken
                This probably would be the only option that this is not a back door.

                Otherwise I'd say this is the reason the backdoor was found 😛

                @barubary @GossiTheDog

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                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                  So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                  Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                  @GossiTheDog I never trusted #BitLocker with it's #Govware - #Backdoor anyway!

                  - Cuz now people put that trust into some #BackBox IC (#TPM) that is usually soldered down on the board that may or may not be #exploitable from the factory (whether due to #bugs, #incompetence or "Export Restrictions #Compliance" is irrelevant for the affected End-Users!)…

                  - If (for some horrible reason that I refuse to acknowledge as legitimate!) someone needs a #Windows machine BUT with #FullDiskEncryption, they should use the only REAL #FDE: #VeraCrypt!

                  #CensorBoot never was about #Security…

                  - Calling it "#SecureBoot" is adopting the enemy's #Propaganda-Speak!

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                  • gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.luG gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.lu

                    @gsuberland @kirenida @GossiTheDog It could maybe restore my windows where bitlocker prompts me for the key which I have forgotten. Or I get that prompt because my TPM forgot the key, and that's then not possible.
                    Anyway, running linux now.

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                    @gunstick @kirenida @GossiTheDog nope. it needs a functioning TPM with the right key, and BitLocker in no password mode. this is only functionally a login bypass.

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                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                      So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                      Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                      @GossiTheDog
                      Oh wow, a backdoor in a Microsoft product, much wow \s

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                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                        So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                        Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                        @GossiTheDog I am shocked. Shocked I say!

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                        • jimmyhoke@fosstodon.orgJ jimmyhoke@fosstodon.org

                          @GossiTheDog I am shocked. Shocked I say!

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                          @GossiTheDog

                          Rememeber: never ask “is this Microsoft security product backdoored?”

                          Instead ask: “how exactly is it backdoored? How many back doors are there?”

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                          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                            So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                            Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                            @GossiTheDog i wouldn't be surprised if this was supposed to only be built in certain branches via velocity configuration, and someone fucked up when merging some other changes in
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                            • jimmyhoke@fosstodon.orgJ jimmyhoke@fosstodon.org

                              @GossiTheDog

                              Rememeber: never ask “is this Microsoft security product backdoored?”

                              Instead ask: “how exactly is it backdoored? How many back doors are there?”

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                              @GossiTheDog Also: that’s worse?

                              - Microsoft and intentionally backdooring BitLocker
                              - Microsoft unintentionally backdooring bitlocker

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                              • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                @GossiTheDog great

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                                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                  I think my prior toot on NightmareEclipse auto deleted so to make a perm one - it isn’t me. I suspect it’s somebody who used to work at MSFT, who departed after my era.

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                                  For anybody looking at this, testing showed two things:

                                  - TPM unlocked the storage
                                  - it provides a login bypass, as you’re dumped as SYSTEM prior to Windows Hello or password login

                                  BitLocker operates without a PIN by default so it’s basically a big gap, it’s unclear how this code made it into the production version of Windows.

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                                  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                    For anybody looking at this, testing showed two things:

                                    - TPM unlocked the storage
                                    - it provides a login bypass, as you’re dumped as SYSTEM prior to Windows Hello or password login

                                    BitLocker operates without a PIN by default so it’s basically a big gap, it’s unclear how this code made it into the production version of Windows.

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                                    I should point out I’ve only tested with one version of Windows 11 - maybe the scope is smaller.

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                                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                      So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                      Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                      @GossiTheDog I'd be highly surprised if it didn't have a backdoor. Microsoft is not a company you should trust
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                                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                        So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                        Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                        @GossiTheDog

                                        I was worried I'd run out of tools that do not require opening a computer/laptop case, now that Microsoft's planning to patch Bitpixie this year.

                                        But Windows is a gift that just keeps on giving

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                                        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                          So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                          Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                          @GossiTheDog I always assumed anything that could unlock an encrypted drive with no password or other authentication from the user could be bypassed. I figured if you don't have to enter a password, you have to assume that neither does anybody else.

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