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So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works.

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  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

    So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

    Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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    I think my prior toot on NightmareEclipse auto deleted so to make a perm one - it isn’t me. I suspect it’s somebody who used to work at MSFT, who departed after my era.

    j91321@infosec.exchangeJ gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG alesandroortiz@infosec.exchangeA 3 Replies Last reply
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    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

      So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

      Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

      barubary@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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      @GossiTheDog Oh, fun.

      Also for whatever reason, only windows 11 (+Server 2022/2025) are affect, windows 10 is not.

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      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

        So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

        Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

        gsuberland@chaos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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        @GossiTheDog it's not clear to me what config this bypasses. is it only the no password config?

        (Edit: thought about it and yeah ofc it's just that config)

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        • barubary@infosec.exchangeB barubary@infosec.exchange

          @GossiTheDog Oh, fun.

          Also for whatever reason, only windows 11 (+Server 2022/2025) are affect, windows 10 is not.

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          @barubary @GossiTheDog It might be a "We've to deliver this and test this quicker" and someone forgot to remove.

          A backdoor implies planning and we're talking about Microsoft.

          I'd bet for bad QA and controls and lazy development with a pinch of "hurry, deliver now"

          Which is ... Worse?

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          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

            So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

            Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

            mkoek@mastodon.nlM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @GossiTheDog not a Windows guy so forgive me but I don’t get it. Copy the Fstx folder from where? The target system itself?

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            • mkoek@mastodon.nlM mkoek@mastodon.nl

              @GossiTheDog not a Windows guy so forgive me but I don’t get it. Copy the Fstx folder from where? The target system itself?

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              @mkoek @GossiTheDog the repo.

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              • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

                kirenida@social.linux.pizzaK This user is from outside of this forum
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                @GossiTheDog could this be used to unlock a drive taken from a dead laptop/pc, when the user doesn't have the bitlocker key saved?

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                • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                  @mkoek @GossiTheDog the repo.

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                  @gsuberland @GossiTheDog oh right, sorry didn’t notice it there 🙂 and how do you click restart without being already in? Not a Windows user, I’m sure you can tell

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                  • mkoek@mastodon.nlM mkoek@mastodon.nl

                    @gsuberland @GossiTheDog oh right, sorry didn’t notice it there 🙂 and how do you click restart without being already in? Not a Windows user, I’m sure you can tell

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                    @mkoek @GossiTheDog I'm pretty sure this only bypasses the bitlocker config where there's no password, just a key held by the TPM, which is supposed to protect against offline attacks (e.g. unplug your disk and plug it into another machine). so what you do is boot the victim system up to the login screen, follow the procedure here, and it drops you into cmd after bitlocker unlocks. so it really functions more like a login bypass than what most people would think when you say "bitlocker bypass".

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                    • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                      @mkoek @GossiTheDog I'm pretty sure this only bypasses the bitlocker config where there's no password, just a key held by the TPM, which is supposed to protect against offline attacks (e.g. unplug your disk and plug it into another machine). so what you do is boot the victim system up to the login screen, follow the procedure here, and it drops you into cmd after bitlocker unlocks. so it really functions more like a login bypass than what most people would think when you say "bitlocker bypass".

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                      @mkoek @GossiTheDog you can also usually get the same general result in this config by poking the motherboard with a logic analyser and dumping the TPM data off the bus.

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                      • kirenida@social.linux.pizzaK kirenida@social.linux.pizza

                        @GossiTheDog could this be used to unlock a drive taken from a dead laptop/pc, when the user doesn't have the bitlocker key saved?

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                        @kirenida @GossiTheDog no.

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                        • kirenida@social.linux.pizzaK kirenida@social.linux.pizza

                          @GossiTheDog could this be used to unlock a drive taken from a dead laptop/pc, when the user doesn't have the bitlocker key saved?

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                          @kirenida @GossiTheDog if the drive is still in the dead system you'd be better off trying to get it to a point where it'll boot to the point of the TPM being read.

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                          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                            I think my prior toot on NightmareEclipse auto deleted so to make a perm one - it isn’t me. I suspect it’s somebody who used to work at MSFT, who departed after my era.

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                            @GossiTheDog It did cross my mind that this could perhaps be the person who used to drop 0-days on Twitter a few years ago when they were having a bad day.

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                            • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                              @kirenida @GossiTheDog no.

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                              @gsuberland @kirenida @GossiTheDog It could maybe restore my windows where bitlocker prompts me for the key which I have forgotten. Or I get that prompt because my TPM forgot the key, and that's then not possible.
                              Anyway, running linux now.

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                              • prsfalken@mastodon.socialP prsfalken@mastodon.social

                                @barubary @GossiTheDog It might be a "We've to deliver this and test this quicker" and someone forgot to remove.

                                A backdoor implies planning and we're talking about Microsoft.

                                I'd bet for bad QA and controls and lazy development with a pinch of "hurry, deliver now"

                                Which is ... Worse?

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                                @prsfalken
                                This probably would be the only option that this is not a back door.

                                Otherwise I'd say this is the reason the backdoor was found 😛

                                @barubary @GossiTheDog

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                                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                  So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                  Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                  @GossiTheDog I never trusted #BitLocker with it's #Govware - #Backdoor anyway!

                                  - Cuz now people put that trust into some #BackBox IC (#TPM) that is usually soldered down on the board that may or may not be #exploitable from the factory (whether due to #bugs, #incompetence or "Export Restrictions #Compliance" is irrelevant for the affected End-Users!)…

                                  - If (for some horrible reason that I refuse to acknowledge as legitimate!) someone needs a #Windows machine BUT with #FullDiskEncryption, they should use the only REAL #FDE: #VeraCrypt!

                                  #CensorBoot never was about #Security…

                                  - Calling it "#SecureBoot" is adopting the enemy's #Propaganda-Speak!

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                                  • gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.luG gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.lu

                                    @gsuberland @kirenida @GossiTheDog It could maybe restore my windows where bitlocker prompts me for the key which I have forgotten. Or I get that prompt because my TPM forgot the key, and that's then not possible.
                                    Anyway, running linux now.

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                                    @gunstick @kirenida @GossiTheDog nope. it needs a functioning TPM with the right key, and BitLocker in no password mode. this is only functionally a login bypass.

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                                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                      So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                      Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

                                      dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @GossiTheDog
                                      Oh wow, a backdoor in a Microsoft product, much wow \s

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                                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                        So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                        Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

                                        jimmyhoke@fosstodon.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @GossiTheDog I am shocked. Shocked I say!

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                                        • jimmyhoke@fosstodon.orgJ jimmyhoke@fosstodon.org

                                          @GossiTheDog I am shocked. Shocked I say!

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                                          @GossiTheDog

                                          Rememeber: never ask “is this Microsoft security product backdoored?”

                                          Instead ask: “how exactly is it backdoored? How many back doors are there?”

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