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So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works.

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  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

    So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

    Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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    @GossiTheDog

    @drm Plus besoin de s'embêter à faire du TPM sniffing

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    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

      So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

      Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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      @GossiTheDog thanks God i can recover an Old ssd whose bitlocker key is somewhere in the short-circuited mainboard Something Something Secure Module and I happen to not have a backup of that specific bitlocker key

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      • s1m@infosec.exchangeS s1m@infosec.exchange

        @GossiTheDog

        @drm Plus besoin de s'embêter à faire du TPM sniffing

        drm@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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        @S1m @GossiTheDog testé hier par un collègue, ça marche bien ! Mais ça va être rapidement patché... 😭

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        • drm@mastodon.socialD drm@mastodon.social

          @S1m @GossiTheDog testé hier par un collègue, ça marche bien ! Mais ça va être rapidement patché... 😭

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          @drm @GossiTheDog Toujours à la pointe les collègues. C'est pas un patch qui nécessite une mise à jour des certifs secureboot ça ? Le genre de mise à jour qui est toujours retardée

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          • s1m@infosec.exchangeS s1m@infosec.exchange

            @drm @GossiTheDog Toujours à la pointe les collègues. C'est pas un patch qui nécessite une mise à jour des certifs secureboot ça ? Le genre de mise à jour qui est toujours retardée

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            @S1m @GossiTheDog 💪🏼. Je crois que tu confonds avec cette vuln https://github.com/garatc/BitUnlocker

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            • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

              So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

              Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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              @GossiTheDog I suspect you have that NSA key set. 😉

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              • drm@mastodon.socialD drm@mastodon.social

                @S1m @GossiTheDog 💪🏼. Je crois que tu confonds avec cette vuln https://github.com/garatc/BitUnlocker

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                @drm @GossiTheDog Ah bah j'ai toujours cru que Bitlocker était by-design vuln aux downgrade attacks

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                • prsfalken@mastodon.socialP prsfalken@mastodon.social

                  @barubary @GossiTheDog It might be a "We've to deliver this and test this quicker" and someone forgot to remove.

                  A backdoor implies planning and we're talking about Microsoft.

                  I'd bet for bad QA and controls and lazy development with a pinch of "hurry, deliver now"

                  Which is ... Worse?

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                  @prsfalken @barubary @GossiTheDog they’re excellent at planning Copilot and spyware integrations, though.

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                  • splinux@mastodon.unoS splinux@mastodon.uno

                    @GossiTheDog thanks God i can recover an Old ssd whose bitlocker key is somewhere in the short-circuited mainboard Something Something Secure Module and I happen to not have a backup of that specific bitlocker key

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                    @splinux @GossiTheDog my mom sent me an old ssd in the same situation. Haven't been able to recover her data from it so far. 😞

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                    • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                      @mkoek @GossiTheDog you can also usually get the same general result in this config by poking the motherboard with a logic analyser and dumping the TPM data off the bus.

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                      @gsuberland @mkoek @GossiTheDog not always - this wouldn't work with a "firmware TPM" implementation in IntelME/AMD PSP or in Pluton for example
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                      • rairii@labyrinth.zoneR rairii@labyrinth.zone
                        @gsuberland @mkoek @GossiTheDog not always - this wouldn't work with a "firmware TPM" implementation in IntelME/AMD PSP or in Pluton for example
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                        @Rairii @GossiTheDog @mkoek yeah, I was just thinking "hm I should edit that post from yesterday to mention fTPMs"

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                        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                          For anybody looking at this, testing showed two things:

                          - TPM unlocked the storage
                          - it provides a login bypass, as you’re dumped as SYSTEM prior to Windows Hello or password login

                          BitLocker operates without a PIN by default so it’s basically a big gap, it’s unclear how this code made it into the production version of Windows.

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                          @GossiTheDog

                          • it provides a login bypass, as you’re dumped as SYSTEM prior to Windows Hello or password login

                          Technically you're running in WinPE with unlocked 😄 drive.

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                          • berglerma@mastodon.socialB berglerma@mastodon.social

                            @gsuberland @mkoek @GossiTheDog Unless Microsoft made another mistake this shouldn't be possible. Accessing disk encryption keys should always use what is called a "salted session", where the communication between TPM and application is encrypted, precisely to prevent passive attacks on the bus.

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                            @berglerma @gsuberland @mkoek @GossiTheDog This is BitLocker we are talking about. There's about one yearly post somewhere online, from someone new who bypassed bitlocker with an arduino and two paperclips. It's always passive attacks on the bus.

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                            • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                              For anybody looking at this, testing showed two things:

                              - TPM unlocked the storage
                              - it provides a login bypass, as you’re dumped as SYSTEM prior to Windows Hello or password login

                              BitLocker operates without a PIN by default so it’s basically a big gap, it’s unclear how this code made it into the production version of Windows.

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                              @GossiTheDog

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                                @GossiTheDog

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                                @GossiTheDog I mean they already do key escrow if you link to a MSFT account right? So seems sloppy for an intentional backdoor.

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                                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                  I should point out I’ve only tested with one version of Windows 11 - maybe the scope is smaller.

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                                  @GossiTheDog Very interesting indeed. I only have a work laptop with windows 11 so I have no testbed. Everything else is Linux, and famliy has Macbooks. I use to be able to boot Linux from a portable ssd drive + portable hard drive on my work laptop to make a compressed backup of the entire laptop SSD, so I could just roll back to last working image. Could this exploit be used to perform some "essentials" backup that could be used to restore from a bitlocker lockout or other failures?

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                                  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                    So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                    Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                    @GossiTheDog You've probably seen this, but there were a bunch more in WinRE: https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-bitunlocker-leveraging-windows-recovery-to-extract-bitlocker-secrets
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                                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                      I should point out I’ve only tested with one version of Windows 11 - maybe the scope is smaller.

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                                      Me and @wdormann have both recreated the BitLocker backdoor^H^H^Hvulnerability https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/windows-bitlocker-zero-day-gives-access-to-protected-drives-poc-released/

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                                      • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                                        @GossiTheDog it's not clear to me what config this bypasses. is it only the no password config?

                                        (Edit: thought about it and yeah ofc it's just that config)

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                                        @gsuberland @GossiTheDog Slightly easier than grabbing the key off LPC I guess.

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                                        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                          So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                          Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                          @GossiTheDog This doesn't work for me. I'm using an exFat Ventoy USB (it's all I have right now) on a T16 Gen 1 and a desktop. Both with TPM, no PIN.

                                          ThinkPad - won't boot with CTRL held down, I briefly release it on the Lenovo screen. CMD pops up but C:\ is mapped to a Ventoy partition and the BitLocker partition wasn't mounted or unlocked.

                                          Desktop - I got to CMD and C:\ was mounted but locked.

                                          Without the USB CMD doesn't open on either PC. I might try again later with clean NTFS USB stick.

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