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So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works.

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  • prsfalken@mastodon.socialP prsfalken@mastodon.social

    @barubary @GossiTheDog It might be a "We've to deliver this and test this quicker" and someone forgot to remove.

    A backdoor implies planning and we're talking about Microsoft.

    I'd bet for bad QA and controls and lazy development with a pinch of "hurry, deliver now"

    Which is ... Worse?

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    @prsfalken
    This probably would be the only option that this is not a back door.

    Otherwise I'd say this is the reason the backdoor was found 😛

    @barubary @GossiTheDog

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    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

      So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

      Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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      @GossiTheDog I never trusted #BitLocker with it's #Govware - #Backdoor anyway!

      - Cuz now people put that trust into some #BackBox IC (#TPM) that is usually soldered down on the board that may or may not be #exploitable from the factory (whether due to #bugs, #incompetence or "Export Restrictions #Compliance" is irrelevant for the affected End-Users!)…

      - If (for some horrible reason that I refuse to acknowledge as legitimate!) someone needs a #Windows machine BUT with #FullDiskEncryption, they should use the only REAL #FDE: #VeraCrypt!

      #CensorBoot never was about #Security…

      - Calling it "#SecureBoot" is adopting the enemy's #Propaganda-Speak!

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      • gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.luG gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.lu

        @gsuberland @kirenida @GossiTheDog It could maybe restore my windows where bitlocker prompts me for the key which I have forgotten. Or I get that prompt because my TPM forgot the key, and that's then not possible.
        Anyway, running linux now.

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        @gunstick @kirenida @GossiTheDog nope. it needs a functioning TPM with the right key, and BitLocker in no password mode. this is only functionally a login bypass.

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        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

          So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

          Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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          @GossiTheDog
          Oh wow, a backdoor in a Microsoft product, much wow \s

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          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

            So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

            Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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            @GossiTheDog I am shocked. Shocked I say!

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            • jimmyhoke@fosstodon.orgJ jimmyhoke@fosstodon.org

              @GossiTheDog I am shocked. Shocked I say!

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              @GossiTheDog

              Rememeber: never ask “is this Microsoft security product backdoored?”

              Instead ask: “how exactly is it backdoored? How many back doors are there?”

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              • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                @GossiTheDog i wouldn't be surprised if this was supposed to only be built in certain branches via velocity configuration, and someone fucked up when merging some other changes in
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                • jimmyhoke@fosstodon.orgJ jimmyhoke@fosstodon.org

                  @GossiTheDog

                  Rememeber: never ask “is this Microsoft security product backdoored?”

                  Instead ask: “how exactly is it backdoored? How many back doors are there?”

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                  @GossiTheDog Also: that’s worse?

                  - Microsoft and intentionally backdooring BitLocker
                  - Microsoft unintentionally backdooring bitlocker

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                  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                    So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                    Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                    @GossiTheDog great

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                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                      I think my prior toot on NightmareEclipse auto deleted so to make a perm one - it isn’t me. I suspect it’s somebody who used to work at MSFT, who departed after my era.

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                      For anybody looking at this, testing showed two things:

                      - TPM unlocked the storage
                      - it provides a login bypass, as you’re dumped as SYSTEM prior to Windows Hello or password login

                      BitLocker operates without a PIN by default so it’s basically a big gap, it’s unclear how this code made it into the production version of Windows.

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                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                        For anybody looking at this, testing showed two things:

                        - TPM unlocked the storage
                        - it provides a login bypass, as you’re dumped as SYSTEM prior to Windows Hello or password login

                        BitLocker operates without a PIN by default so it’s basically a big gap, it’s unclear how this code made it into the production version of Windows.

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                        I should point out I’ve only tested with one version of Windows 11 - maybe the scope is smaller.

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                        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                          So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                          Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                          @GossiTheDog I'd be highly surprised if it didn't have a backdoor. Microsoft is not a company you should trust
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                          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                            So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                            Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                            @GossiTheDog

                            I was worried I'd run out of tools that do not require opening a computer/laptop case, now that Microsoft's planning to patch Bitpixie this year.

                            But Windows is a gift that just keeps on giving

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                            • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                              So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                              Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                              @GossiTheDog I always assumed anything that could unlock an encrypted drive with no password or other authentication from the user could be bypassed. I figured if you don't have to enter a password, you have to assume that neither does anybody else.

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                              • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                @GossiTheDog hi just out of curiosity why would a bios password help / be required? is that only for if pcr7 isn't bound?

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                                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                  So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                  Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                  Poc @sebsauvage

                                  @GossiTheDog

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                                  • T tanavit@toot.aquilenet.fr

                                    Poc @sebsauvage

                                    @GossiTheDog

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                                    @tanavit @GossiTheDog
                                    Haha oui j'ai vu passer ça, ainsi qu'une faille RCE dans Word.

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                                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                      So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                      Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                      @GossiTheDog why is Microsoft so lazy when it comes to developing mission critical software

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                                      • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                                        @mkoek @GossiTheDog you can also usually get the same general result in this config by poking the motherboard with a logic analyser and dumping the TPM data off the bus.

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                                        @gsuberland @mkoek @GossiTheDog Unless Microsoft made another mistake this shouldn't be possible. Accessing disk encryption keys should always use what is called a "salted session", where the communication between TPM and application is encrypted, precisely to prevent passive attacks on the bus.

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                                        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                          So I’ve just had a quick play with this and yes, it works. Essentially BitLocker has a backdoor. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey

                                          Mitigation = BitLocker PIN and BIOS password lock.

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                                          @GossiTheDog

                                          @drm Plus besoin de s'embêter à faire du TPM sniffing

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