Most major #media and #socialMedia in the #USA is now right wing controlled
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@adwright @mjc0961 @aadeacon @Eetschrijver
well yeah, it's not going to be easy
but please don't posit statements like you are doing that in some minds might create a feeling of helplessness
i don't think that is your intention, you refer to hope by the end of your comment, but serve our current need to participate and vote by making sure to note "having said all of that, make sure you vote"
@benroyce @mjc0961 @aadeacon @Eetschrijver
I posted only moments earlier how important it was to both vote in the primaries as well as the election saying that yes your lives really do hang on the results.
That is truth.
But it is also truth that this is not going to be that easy or that straight forward and the only result with any chance of success - a Democratic supermajority everywhere - is going to be a reach, even if it works.
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@adwright @mjc0961 @aadeacon @Eetschrijver
well yeah, it's not going to be easy
but please don't posit statements like you are doing that in some minds might create a feeling of helplessness
i don't think that is your intention, you refer to hope by the end of your comment, but serve our current need to participate and vote by making sure to note "having said all of that, make sure you vote"
@benroyce @adwright @mjc0961 @Eetschrijver I will add a note here, I will not vote in the mid-terms because as a UK citizen I do not have a vote, even though the results are of paramount interest to the the non US world,
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@benroyce @aadeacon @Eetschrijver
I mean, you have to vote. You have to at least participate in this farce, before you flip the table.
But elections happen in Russia and North Korea too...
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@benroyce @aadeacon @Eetschrijver
Also, if Trump is so good at cheating elections, how have Democrats been winning all these special elections since Trump took office?
@mjc0961 @benroyce @aadeacon @Eetschrijver Yeah! and how come when I find one rotten apple all other apples aren't rotten?
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@Sassinake
So there's no class solidarity. Well, bummer. Now here's the question to American voters: are you going to sit on your bums until class solidarity somehow materializes or are you meanwhile going to fucking vote to give class solidarity more chances to come about? Because these guys sure as hell are not going to help that happen.
@benroyce @aadeacon -
i was once in a thread with someone from eastern europe who obviously did not have english as their first language and used the ableist r-word
i just told them this was an extremely vile word to use in english, and they edited their comment and thanked me
i didn't start piling on them with judgment and vitriol
we all should learn to try a little understanding first before bringing out the machine guns of judgment. of course, if they double down, bombs away
Exactly!
That's such a great response. People sometimes really have no idea. It's best to first ask, and not ask while holding a weapon. -
@benroyce @mjc0961 @aadeacon @Eetschrijver
I posted only moments earlier how important it was to both vote in the primaries as well as the election saying that yes your lives really do hang on the results.
That is truth.
But it is also truth that this is not going to be that easy or that straight forward and the only result with any chance of success - a Democratic supermajority everywhere - is going to be a reach, even if it works.
@adwright @mjc0961 @aadeacon @Eetschrijver
i can't argue with you. it's just that we're at cross purpose. you are talking forecasts and feasibility, i am trying to fire up the crowd
what i will do though is say that my purpose here is more constructive than yours at this particular moment. we're about to have primaries. we need to fire people up. you agree?
so please:
just try not to be such a debbie downer
please?
pretty pretty please with a cherry on top?
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they're all over social media, including the fediverse
@benroyce
This, alas, is too true.
@pascaline -
@Sassinake @Eetschrijver @aadeacon
please edit your comment and add #vote
right? you feel where i'm coming from?
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@Sassinake @Eetschrijver @aadeacon
please edit your comment and add #vote
right? you feel where i'm coming from?
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@Sassinake @Eetschrijver @aadeacon
please edit your comment and add #vote
right? you feel where i'm coming from?
@benroyce @Eetschrijver @aadeacon
sure.
but didn't Marx say that Socialism could happen only after capitalism ran its course and people realized they either united, or died?
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"you can't #vote out #fascism"
they just did in #hungary you pathetic right wing lying troll cosplaying left and working a helplessness psyop... or, worse, you genuinely are exactly such a spineless mindlessly cynical loser and just an immature entitled whiny lump, not a real leftist
" #trump will cheat so what's the point of voting in the #midterms"
say that again, you lying piece of shit
@benroyce @Eetschrijver I’ve been saying ”you can’t vote out fascism” for quite some time, and I’m more than happy to have been proven wrong at least this one time.
(Disclaimer: I don’t live in either Hungary or the US)
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@adwright @mjc0961 @aadeacon @Eetschrijver
i can't argue with you. it's just that we're at cross purpose. you are talking forecasts and feasibility, i am trying to fire up the crowd
what i will do though is say that my purpose here is more constructive than yours at this particular moment. we're about to have primaries. we need to fire people up. you agree?
so please:
just try not to be such a debbie downer
please?
pretty pretty please with a cherry on top?
We can agree on the general point.
I think the point of disagreement is on foreknowledge.
One school of thought says it's best to know up front what you're up against. Good and bad.
Another says people can't handle that. Keep the message simple, details confuse.
Both may be right to different audiences under varying circumstance.
I prefer full message. Reason why is when folks deliver on simple thing but still in Shit Creek, not knowing details got em.
But your thread so *waves.
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We can agree on the general point.
I think the point of disagreement is on foreknowledge.
One school of thought says it's best to know up front what you're up against. Good and bad.
Another says people can't handle that. Keep the message simple, details confuse.
Both may be right to different audiences under varying circumstance.
I prefer full message. Reason why is when folks deliver on simple thing but still in Shit Creek, not knowing details got em.
But your thread so *waves.
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@benroyce @Eetschrijver I’ve been saying ”you can’t vote out fascism” for quite some time, and I’m more than happy to have been proven wrong at least this one time.
(Disclaimer: I don’t live in either Hungary or the US)
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as long as we sever these immature impotent losers: "but this one issue {x} i want it NOW or i don't vote"
you improve the world with sustained, iterative effort
anyone sitting there going "not perfect so no vote!" is a fuckwit or outright right wing troll cosplaying left to help MAGA
it's about *how* we improve our world, a plan, and work
not making idealistic demands as a lying excuse to do nothing but detach
such a person is not a leftist, just an entitled piece of shit
@benroyce @mistergibson I don't get why so many people wouldn't back down on genocide as their red line. I mean, the head count was nowhere near how many innocents died in the Holocaust, and that was small compared to the death toll in Congo. (I mean, the official Gaza death toll. Credible sources measure it at hundreds of thousands.) But is that even a genocide? I mean, yeah, it is, but it's okay if it's just a little genocide, isn't it?
I bet all the bleeding hearts were swayed by all the video coming out of Gaza. True, we didn't see inside the Nazi concentration camps until we broke them open, so it was probably unnerving seeing so many children dismembered and suffering in realtime in Gaza. And, well, all those bombs were blue, because Biden sent them. But still, if all it took was a candidate who committed to not funding a genocide, couldn't they have hopped down from their privileged ivory towers, held their noses, and voted for just a few little bombs? Plus, maybe Harris didn't really mean it when she said she supported Biden's policies with regard to Israel. Didn't they think of THAT?
I just don't get these people who went to the polling booths and voted for a third-party candidate who didn't have a repugnant platform. Didn't they realize they were throwing away their votes in a system where incremental change is best achieved by supporting corporatist candidates? No one ever became President without that sweet, sweet corporate money.
(Don't even mention AOC or Mamdani. Anyway, they have ranked choice voting down there. Hardly seems American.)
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Most major #media and #socialMedia in the #USA is now right wing controlled
The #techbro angle is well understood, but traditional media, that used to be more balanced, being capitalist entities that were dying, plutocrats merely purchased them and put their goons on the managing editor desks
Watch this video of #Magyar going on #Hungary's version of #FoxNews (their state media) and announcing he is shutting them down
Now dream of that in the #US
To get there, you fucking #vote, idiots
@benroyce after the election, i reached out to a Hungarian friend who I hadn’t talked with in a while. He said he just got back from Hungary (he flew in to cast his ballot). Said it was a hopeful feeling. The energy in the air “was like 1989”.
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@benroyce @Eetschrijver I’ve been saying ”you can’t vote out fascism” for quite some time, and I’m more than happy to have been proven wrong at least this one time.
(Disclaimer: I don’t live in either Hungary or the US)
to be a good person, you don't be right all the time
because nobody is
to be a good person, you admit when you're wrong, and adjust
a credit to your good character to admit you were wrong
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Hmm.
So I was just thinking maybe it's like paranoia - where, is it paranoia if they really are out to get you?
Is it pessimism if (a) negative outcomes predominate and/or (b) it is in the interests of bottomless-resourced entities for said negative outcomes to manifest?
So this one time I nearly died.
When I was a kid, I made a rule. I said, if I was ever up against oblivion, I would fight my last no matter what.
When you *are up against oblivion there is no you left. I fought.
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@benroyce after the election, i reached out to a Hungarian friend who I hadn’t talked with in a while. He said he just got back from Hungary (he flew in to cast his ballot). Said it was a hopeful feeling. The energy in the air “was like 1989”.
