@benroyce @mistergibson

true but he wouldn't even have needed a party if NYC had FFV (vote for whoever in the election that replaces the primary and then use RCV among the top five vote getters in the general). getting there will be difficult if it requires getting party aligned officials to vote for it, but more likely via referendum.

@benroyce @mistergibson

Wikipedia shows precisely how RCV was instrumental in his being elected.

Ballot initiatives. Convincing and energizing our neighbors. Detailed discussion of why that's the hard bit necessary part.

The Fediverse isn't as nice for threading as Usenet was, but it's all in there. Start at Ben's first post.

Mix in a little National Popular Vote interstate compact for flavour.

If you're telling me my only choices are genocide or genocide-with-harm-reduction, then I'll call the foul and ask you to throw another one.

Yeah. What we perpetually have on this here internet is a bunch of folks who are happy to declare what they think is a good idea, but apparently NOT engaged enough to do the “Here’s Very Specifically How We Try To Get That, And I Have Been Doing This” part.

In fact a lot of these idea-havers often don’t seem to be doing anything at all, other than posting.

My parents taught me about the Holocaust. That was an important lesson when I was little. You can sum up the lesson as, "no genocide." Pay attention to this subtlety: It wasn't "no genocide unless there's some harm reduction too." It was just, "no genocide."

[sarcasm warning - mirror ahead]

Catherine, why did you effectively vote for Trump by allowing the blue team to run a pro-genocide candidate?

(See what I did there? Reread what you wrote to me and you'll have a giggle when you get to it. We're both so very cute!)

[end of sarcasm warning]

mamdani ran as a democrat

so the third party benefit of rcv, that we both want, is a different topic re mamdani

stop thinking "we need this" "we want that"

think: *how* do we get it

so: we both want ranked choice voting

and?

*how* do we get it

we vote

in the current shitty system, to get a better system

it's not good enough to say "arrest trump!" for example and then... nothing

we need to fucking vote, to get the people that will do that

no

if you ignore national politics, you can do the most fruitful constructive local community building possible, and the fascists, who now have complete control because you ignored that sphere, just come and machine gun you while laughing

you can't ignore the vote

i am not in a billion years saying *only* vote, by all means, do the community building

organize, educate, protest, boycott, resist:

do it, all of it

and vote

this is not a big ask

the electoral system is build to favour the billionaire class & will not save you.

the best chance the ppl have to get their needs met is by investing in your local community & build a new way outside of capitalism & the hierarchical system of governance. educate, organise & build a society based on moral integrity, trust & equality. practice mutual aid, solidarity & community self-defense.
be self-sufficient & take responsibility for yourself.

right but the lesson of mamdani is we have to stop obsessing over centrist corporatist spineless dems and

just. fucking. vote.

that's it

just replace them

stop feeling anger, disgust, revulsion, etc for these cowardly turds in the democratic party

stop feeling *anything at all*

give them *no thought*

why? why are we wasting our time caring about them at all?

just show up in the primaries, and fucking replace them

that's it

"If they wanted liberals"

leftists. fuck liberals

"I'll vote in primaries"

then after all of our long history of your reply guying to me with various "blame the dems" bullshit (because the only valid thought is to not even think of them, and just replace them, all of that is just shifting blame away from where blame belongs: the nonvoter) i have nothing for you here tofu except a big hug

fuck facebook

i am a weirdo:

i never had a facebook account

there once was a time that would make me VERY weird

now i feel like some sort of savant

i view you like a culinary don quixote

but instead of windmills, it's the vast unknown of meat sauces

tilt at those windmill / giants!

godspeed barry!

they're defending capitalism, greed & self-interests. the electoral system is purposely build to pretend democratic governance to keep the population believe they're representing them but industries have bribed, coercively controlled & manipulated politicians to such extend that they're effectively running the shots.
mainstream media has done a great job gaslighting and lying to the public for generations so most ppl are brainwashed & traumatised.