Nothing gives Israel a special right to invade neighbors, bulldoze their homes, and create a DMZ.
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@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
and yet by not voting you help MAGA win, and are therefore supporting genocide
the lie you tell yourself is that by not voting you are not part of it
it betrays your essential delusion: that you can drop out and act morally superior. when the truth is by your inactions you support genocide
you really do. you're just too ignorant to understand how your world works
the only way forward is harm reduction
perfection is not on the menu
@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
I agree that RCV will provide a more responsive democracy for the USA.
But we are looking at least 20 years before it is implemented. And political parties will still be running the show!
We can build a party-less democracy in that 20 years!
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@TagYourToe @Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven
my partner will not donate to DSCC, which is mailing us in the postal mail all the time for contributions, until he is gone. all money begs are returned in the envelope with no money, but sharpie art and words explaining that constraint very explicitly.
...going back to the original post by @mcnado , perhaps a thing to test in primaries is whether the candidates support properly requiring AIPAC to register as a foreign agent. they are lobbying on behalf of Israel ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Agents_Registration_Act#Allegations_of_selective_enforcement
@draNgNon @Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado "my partner will not donate to DSCC"
Yeah, we know.
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No, I won’t vote for any genocide party. This is the most reasonable line to draw in the entire history of humanity.
@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @benroyce @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado No, it's not. Whether you vote or not, you WILL get one "genocidal party" (I will use your words) or the other. If EVERY action OR inaction you choose will lead to a "genocidal party" in power you have a moral obligation to make that choice, at that one juncture, that leads to the least amount of harm: vote for the the least "genocidal" of the two.
The day after, go back to working on getting better choices than 2 g. parties
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@lankohr @Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
the USA being two parties is not corruption, it's just math:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
of course corruption exists, but it's not the reason for only 2 parties
it's because of our antiquated FPTP voting system
if we get ranked choice voting (which requires people to vote in our current shitty system to get it) then we can have stable viable third parties
@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado I learned about that in politics/history class. Seems a common global problem: old structures resisting to go away and make place. In germany we have laws going back to monarchy... and "cyber-laws" based on "privacy of letters". But hey, we adopted gerrymandering, yeah!
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@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @benroyce @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado No, it's not. Whether you vote or not, you WILL get one "genocidal party" (I will use your words) or the other. If EVERY action OR inaction you choose will lead to a "genocidal party" in power you have a moral obligation to make that choice, at that one juncture, that leads to the least amount of harm: vote for the the least "genocidal" of the two.
The day after, go back to working on getting better choices than 2 g. parties
You need to dream of a better world. This is cowed behavior.
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
I agree that RCV will provide a more responsive democracy for the USA.
But we are looking at least 20 years before it is implemented. And political parties will still be running the show!
We can build a party-less democracy in that 20 years!
And we won't have 20 years for anything, if the current Christofascists continue on their plan to destroy the planet and get raptured.
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You need to dream of a better world. This is cowed behavior.
@rozeboosje @c_merriweather @benroyce @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @benroyce @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado No. You need to WORK on a better world. Dreaming is closing your eyes and going to sleep. Working is showing up EVERY SINGLE TIME. And once every 1461 days that means VOTING.
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@Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado Since when do you all look down on fanfic? You all love fantastic stories that center yourselves as the heroic main characters. It defines the entirety of your online political identities, which are the only political identities you have.
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You need to dream of a better world. This is cowed behavior.
@rozeboosje @c_merriweather @benroyce @pascaline @Netraven @mcnadoThere ain't gonna be a future with the Christofascists in power.
With climate collapse, there is no idealized future, only surviving until the next day.
Humanity fucked up.
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@Popolon @Pine_Affinity@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social @mcnado
I think this is what you meant:
I believe that wealthy people, and people who benefit from war or from the existing system, understand their interests clearly. They vote in primaries to protect those interests, and then they also reliably vote in the general elections.
In France, many people became tired of the two main parties. So some of us tried to weaken those parties by voting massively in the primaries for more left-wing candidates, even when we did not fully support those parties ourselves.
One result of this was Macron. Even though he came from one of the established parties and had already been a minister, the media presented him as if he were new, outside the system, and someone different to try. People still voted for him.
But at least, since then, the two traditional main parties have fallen into much weaker positions, and that gives us a better chance of getting candidates we actually want.
I also think municipal elections are very important, because they serve different purposes. For example, local officials can influence whether someone is able to run in the presidential election, and they can also choose Senate representatives.
So overall, I mean that people in the worst situations are voting now, and little by little they are managing to change the political landscape.
Is that an accurate restatement of what you meant?
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And we won't have 20 years for anything, if the current Christofascists continue on their plan to destroy the planet and get raptured.
@c_merriweather @benroyce @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
If the USA had listened to me in 2009, this new democracy would be mostly in place:
This new democracy can still be built in a bumbling US democracy.
It can also be built during a Republican oligarchy. The R's will be too busy fighting more immediate threats to come down hard on the early TDG builders.
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@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @benroyce @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado No. You need to WORK on a better world. Dreaming is closing your eyes and going to sleep. Working is showing up EVERY SINGLE TIME. And once every 1461 days that means VOTING.
@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @benroyce @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado And that's the easiest job. Voting in the primaries, working in the streets, direct action against fascists. Supporting better candidates. Spreading their message for them. THAT is what needs to be done during the other 1460 days while YOU close your eyes and fucking DREAM
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado I learned about that in politics/history class. Seems a common global problem: old structures resisting to go away and make place. In germany we have laws going back to monarchy... and "cyber-laws" based on "privacy of letters". But hey, we adopted gerrymandering, yeah!
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You need to dream of a better world. This is cowed behavior.
@rozeboosje @c_merriweather @benroyce @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado@Pine_Affinity @rozeboosje @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
well thanks for lying down and dreaming pine affinity
when you wake up and tell us your resplendent vision of perfection- but no fucking clue how to get there, we will mark your "great contribution" accordingly
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@c_merriweather @benroyce @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
If the USA had listened to me in 2009, this new democracy would be mostly in place:
This new democracy can still be built in a bumbling US democracy.
It can also be built during a Republican oligarchy. The R's will be too busy fighting more immediate threats to come down hard on the early TDG builders.
@davevolek @c_merriweather @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
yeah but dave we've been over this
what you want requires people showing up in the current system
so you want to argue for turnout like i am doing
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@c_merriweather @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
pine affinity does not know, or care, that not voting is supporting MAGA. all they have is emotionality, and no reason. they completely missed your point
Perfection is for mythical gods. The rest of us just muddle through.
If you zoom out far enough, all you see is a Pale Blue Dot.
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@Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado Since when do you all look down on fanfic? You all love fantastic stories that center yourselves as the heroic main characters. It defines the entirety of your online political identities, which are the only political identities you have.
@TagYourToe @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
bingo
it's all about the ego masturbation. it's never about improving the world
morality without action isn't morality at all. and all action is imperfect
but they want perfect
thus, if action is imperfect they won't act at all. and therefore they aren't moral at all
all they have is patting themselves on their back in their mind palace while the world goes to shit. partly because of their entitlement and indolence
people need to fucking vote
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Bizarre anti-logic. May god have mercy on your soul.
@benroyce @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
it's kind of hard, pine affinity, to be judged by someone who sits there with a smirk and does nothing while we march to fascism. partly getting to fascism because you won't do shit except whine and imagine yourself superior. when you have no superiority. you have toxic idealism and immaturity
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@Tofu_Golem @screwturn @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado
nope
if you show up, especially in the primaries, you get the candidates you want
if you don't, you don't
bad candidates do not cause lack of voting
lack of voting causes bad candidates
you have the cause and effect reversed and are abrogating a simple effort to make your will known. and for what? ego masturbation over toxic idealism?
not voting is monumentally stupid, and is the cause of our problems as much as MAGA
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@Darkphoenix @screwturn @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
and thus: vote
get him out in the primary in 2028
