Nothing gives Israel a special right to invade neighbors, bulldoze their homes, and create a DMZ.
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@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
ah yes. the straw man of your clearly articulated entitlement and indolence in this thread. i see. thank you for correcting me
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The Democrats recently removed opposition to the death penalty from their platform and violated national and international law by arming Israel.
So go vote for the GOP, then. You only have two choices right now.
Purity does not exist on this plane.
Stop whining.
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So go vote for the GOP, then. You only have two choices right now.
Purity does not exist on this plane.
Stop whining.
@c_merriweather @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
pine affinity does not know, or care, that not voting is supporting MAGA. all they have is emotionality, and no reason. they completely missed your point
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Because that doesn’t work.
Chuck Schumer responds to growing anger after he agreed to Republican spending bills
Senate Minority Leader rejected any calls for his resignation, standing behind his decision to vote with Republicans to keep the government open
The Independent (www.independent.co.uk)
Hey you are just stupid
Richest people, people wanting war know their interest, and vote in the primaries for their interest, and they will then for sure vote at elections. In France, people tired by the people of the main 2 parties, managed to made these parties explode, by voting massively for leftist ones at primaries, even if they don't like these parties. The side effect has been Macron, that come from one of these parties, that was minister, that all newspaper/TV news sold as someone that never was in a post of gvt, someone to test, and people still voted for him. At least the two main parties are in last positions since, and we have more chance to have our wanted candidates. municipalities that is an important step here, for different purpose (they can accept or not that someone represent at presidencial election, they can choose senat representatives). People that are in the badest position vote now, and manage to change political field progressively.
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So go vote for the GOP, then. You only have two choices right now.
Purity does not exist on this plane.
Stop whining.
No, I won’t vote for any genocide party. This is the most reasonable line to draw in the entire history of humanity.
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Hey you are just stupid Richest people, people wanting war know their interest, and vote in the primaries for their interest, and they will then for sure vote at elections. In France, people tired by the people of the main 2 parties, managed to made these parties explode, by voting massively for leftist ones at primaries, even if they don't like these parties. The side effect has been Macron, that come from one of these parties, that was minister, that all newspaper/TV news sold as someone that never was in a post of gvt, someone to test, and people still voted for him. At least the two main parties are in last positions since, and we have more chance to have our wanted candidates. municipalities that is an important step here, for different purpose (they can accept or not that someone represent at presidencial election, they can choose senat representatives). People that are in the badest position vote now, and manage to change political field progressively.
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clarification that france does not have FPTP
us americans are stuck in a shit system where we have to change the democratic party in dreary strategy rather than start a real 3rd party
but some americans don't understand that, and cling to an ignorance about how our stupid system works
until we get ranked choice voting to get viable 3rd parties, which again, will require them voting. but they don't. they're useless turds endlessly whining
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Hey you are just stupid Richest people, people wanting war know their interest, and vote in the primaries for their interest, and they will then for sure vote at elections. In France, people tired by the people of the main 2 parties, managed to made these parties explode, by voting massively for leftist ones at primaries, even if they don't like these parties. The side effect has been Macron, that come from one of these parties, that was minister, that all newspaper/TV news sold as someone that never was in a post of gvt, someone to test, and people still voted for him. At least the two main parties are in last positions since, and we have more chance to have our wanted candidates. municipalities that is an important step here, for different purpose (they can accept or not that someone represent at presidencial election, they can choose senat representatives). People that are in the badest position vote now, and manage to change political field progressively.
CC: @benroyce@mastodon.social @Netraven@hear-me.social @mcnado@mstdn.social@Popolon @Pine_Affinity@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social @mcnado
I think this is what you meant:
I believe that wealthy people, and people who benefit from war or from the existing system, understand their interests clearly. They vote in primaries to protect those interests, and then they also reliably vote in the general elections.
In France, many people became tired of the two main parties. So some of us tried to weaken those parties by voting massively in the primaries for more left-wing candidates, even when we did not fully support those parties ourselves.
One result of this was Macron. Even though he came from one of the established parties and had already been a minister, the media presented him as if he were new, outside the system, and someone different to try. People still voted for him.
But at least, since then, the two traditional main parties have fallen into much weaker positions, and that gives us a better chance of getting candidates we actually want.
I also think municipal elections are very important, because they serve different purposes. For example, local officials can influence whether someone is able to run in the presidential election, and they can also choose Senate representatives.
So overall, I mean that people in the worst situations are voting now, and little by little they are managing to change the political landscape.
Is that an accurate restatement of what you meant?
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@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
the democrats fucking suck
the point is harm reduction, and moving in a good direction
if you iterate on that, you get real change. especially show up in the primaries and pick the most left candidate
if you drop out and whine, things continue drifting right
the simple truth is:
the democrats sucking is your fault
if you do not vote, or articulate a lying lazy entitled rationale to not vote
that really is the truth
@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado I never got the grasp of the two parties system. Seems very limited to me, like "plague or cholera" (german idiom, I don't know the corresponding translation).
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No, I won’t vote for any genocide party. This is the most reasonable line to draw in the entire history of humanity.
@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
and yet by not voting you help MAGA win, and are therefore supporting genocide
the lie you tell yourself is that by not voting you are not part of it
it betrays your essential delusion: that you can drop out and act morally superior. when the truth is by your inactions you support genocide
you really do. you're just too ignorant to understand how your world works
the only way forward is harm reduction
perfection is not on the menu
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado I never got the grasp of the two parties system. Seems very limited to me, like "plague or cholera" (german idiom, I don't know the corresponding translation).
@lankohr @Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
the USA being two parties is not corruption, it's just math:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
of course corruption exists, but it's not the reason for only 2 parties
it's because of our antiquated FPTP voting system
if we get ranked choice voting (which requires people to vote in our current shitty system to get it) then we can have stable viable third parties
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@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
and yet by not voting you help MAGA win, and are therefore supporting genocide
the lie you tell yourself is that by not voting you are not part of it
it betrays your essential delusion: that you can drop out and act morally superior. when the truth is by your inactions you support genocide
you really do. you're just too ignorant to understand how your world works
the only way forward is harm reduction
perfection is not on the menu
Bizarre anti-logic. May god have mercy on your soul.
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No, I won’t vote for any genocide party. This is the most reasonable line to draw in the entire history of humanity.
Then there is no party, in any country that you can vote for. Please join a monastery or catch the next fight off the planet. People are never perfect.
Again, quit whining.
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Bizarre anti-logic. May god have mercy on your soul.
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@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
and yet by not voting you help MAGA win, and are therefore supporting genocide
the lie you tell yourself is that by not voting you are not part of it
it betrays your essential delusion: that you can drop out and act morally superior. when the truth is by your inactions you support genocide
you really do. you're just too ignorant to understand how your world works
the only way forward is harm reduction
perfection is not on the menu
@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
I agree that RCV will provide a more responsive democracy for the USA.
But we are looking at least 20 years before it is implemented. And political parties will still be running the show!
We can build a party-less democracy in that 20 years!
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@TagYourToe @Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven
my partner will not donate to DSCC, which is mailing us in the postal mail all the time for contributions, until he is gone. all money begs are returned in the envelope with no money, but sharpie art and words explaining that constraint very explicitly.
...going back to the original post by @mcnado , perhaps a thing to test in primaries is whether the candidates support properly requiring AIPAC to register as a foreign agent. they are lobbying on behalf of Israel ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Agents_Registration_Act#Allegations_of_selective_enforcement
@draNgNon @Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado "my partner will not donate to DSCC"
Yeah, we know.
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No, I won’t vote for any genocide party. This is the most reasonable line to draw in the entire history of humanity.
@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @benroyce @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado No, it's not. Whether you vote or not, you WILL get one "genocidal party" (I will use your words) or the other. If EVERY action OR inaction you choose will lead to a "genocidal party" in power you have a moral obligation to make that choice, at that one juncture, that leads to the least amount of harm: vote for the the least "genocidal" of the two.
The day after, go back to working on getting better choices than 2 g. parties
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@lankohr @Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
the USA being two parties is not corruption, it's just math:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
of course corruption exists, but it's not the reason for only 2 parties
it's because of our antiquated FPTP voting system
if we get ranked choice voting (which requires people to vote in our current shitty system to get it) then we can have stable viable third parties
@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado I learned about that in politics/history class. Seems a common global problem: old structures resisting to go away and make place. In germany we have laws going back to monarchy... and "cyber-laws" based on "privacy of letters". But hey, we adopted gerrymandering, yeah!
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@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @benroyce @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado No, it's not. Whether you vote or not, you WILL get one "genocidal party" (I will use your words) or the other. If EVERY action OR inaction you choose will lead to a "genocidal party" in power you have a moral obligation to make that choice, at that one juncture, that leads to the least amount of harm: vote for the the least "genocidal" of the two.
The day after, go back to working on getting better choices than 2 g. parties
You need to dream of a better world. This is cowed behavior.
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
I agree that RCV will provide a more responsive democracy for the USA.
But we are looking at least 20 years before it is implemented. And political parties will still be running the show!
We can build a party-less democracy in that 20 years!
And we won't have 20 years for anything, if the current Christofascists continue on their plan to destroy the planet and get raptured.
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You need to dream of a better world. This is cowed behavior.
@rozeboosje @c_merriweather @benroyce @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado@Pine_Affinity @c_merriweather @benroyce @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado No. You need to WORK on a better world. Dreaming is closing your eyes and going to sleep. Working is showing up EVERY SINGLE TIME. And once every 1461 days that means VOTING.
