Nothing gives Israel a special right to invade neighbors, bulldoze their homes, and create a DMZ.
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@ATLeagle @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
well we don't follow each other, so there's no association
and we will never have 3rd parties in the USA as long as we have FPTP voting. we need ranked choice to make 3rd parties possible
3rd party talk is a self-destructive "solution" that divides the left vote, in FPTP, and so in reality only helps MAGA win
so please, by all means continue not associating your ignorance about the US voting system with me
@ATLeagle @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
mark, i'm not sure being blocked by an ignorant who thinks 3rd party will do anything other than divide the left and help MAGA win, and an ignorant who champions codependent enabling by coddling nonvoters which only means they continue their self-destructive behavior, is a problem
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@benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado That's not really an argument. You can fight against the 2 party system, you can even fight to dismantle the 2 party system and go for proportional representation. Other countries had 2 party systems and dismantled them. You choose not to and you end up with the same policies. I understand perfectly well that it is not easy, but telling me that this is the only way is what is actually defeatist.
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@screwturn @benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @Netraven @mcnado I think that demeaning and insulting people while assuming you know their motives isn't a way to make friends.
The election was already lost. Flinging poo at people who could help you win the next time is not the action I would advise
Again, how does this push anyone away from voting?
I didn't assume anything. They stated right out that not voting was better than voting for Biden, etc.
Should I admire their rectitude and their pristine and perfect morals, or should I rather point out that not voting brings us the worst of all options?
Should I agree that, wow, thank goodness Kamala didn't come in because would she have been terrible and have started wars and caused widespread destruction?
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @curiousgawker @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado blocked , asshole .
Keep flinging poo
What's the alternative, Mark?
Praise them?
Ignore them?What?
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lmao
Your resorting to insults is so sad. Browbeating people into voting for a dead end party is not a winning strategy.@Pine_Affinity This whole thread started with "US voters must" . @benroyce @screwturn @Netraven @mcnado
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@Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado
and that's on you. because you didn't show up in the primaries to vote him out
@benroyce This is Donald's secret army, the gang of slackers who want to criticize the Democrats as an academic exercise instead of simply working to elect the best candidates in each race.
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I voted for Joe Biden and he illegally sent bombs to explode children in hospital beds.
@Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
and then you argue for people not voting, and enough did not vote as you desired, and now trump is bombing iran
you're helping that
it's about harm reduction, then iterating to better. it's never about perfection
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@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
yes
and so you argue for voting in the primaries, and showing the fuck up, to stop this
right?
you think i am defending centrist dems while i argue continually for showing the fuck up in the primaries to replace them?
are you arguing against what i am really saying?
or do you think you can play a shell game and lie to yourself about what i am saying and prove anything other than that you can't follow the simple fucking point
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@Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
how many times have i written "show up in the primaries"
do you understand what a primary is?
how did we get mamdani?
was it because of people like you going "nothing changes. waah. everything sucks and then you die. waah"
or was it from people voting?
@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
Here is a simple difference:
Democrats:
Advocate for the use of the scientific method, and the improvements in life from the Enlightenment, the New Deal, and the Civil Rights movement. Also, that people are basically good, and should choose what they want to believe or not believe, and have control over their own bodies.Republicans:
Believe that the Bible (KJV, of course) is the literal word of their vindictive god, who was created by dudes who got lost in a desert, and failed to ask their wives for directions. Then they created a demi-god myth based on a Jewish dude who was executed for pissing off the Romans. They want to turn the US into the theocratic hellscape envisioned by the Calvinist colonizers (see Project 2025). Then they want a war in the ME, for all the Jews to convert to their brand of "Christianity," all so -only they- get raptured up into their heaven, to live in eternity with their brutal god.That, friends, is the difference.
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado It really isn't rocket science: vote principle in the primary, vote party in the general election. The first is how you keep Democrats honest and move them to the left. The second is how you keep outright fascists out of power.
@msbellows @benroyce @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado
If your Democrat is very left (IE far to the right of our sane parties) then they may pick up few votes from Republicans disgusted with their Party.
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@Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I really don't understand why can't Americans accept that the democratic party is an imperialist party for the elites that doesn't answer to its people. Why can't you build actual grassroot movements and put forward your own candidates that are not compromised by the democratic party systems of control? Far easier task than changing the democratic party from within.
@JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I blame it on the surveillance state, the First Past the Post system, and especially the deep and apparently irreparable social isolation. These aren't conditions conducive to political organizing.
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@JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I blame it on the surveillance state, the First Past the Post system, and especially the deep and apparently irreparable social isolation. These aren't conditions conducive to political organizing.
@mikelovesbikes @JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
and people who speak from a position of ignorance on the usa voting system like jake are not helping. in fact what they argue for only helps MAGA
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The Hill believes a leadership change is unlikely.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5807683-schumer-future-senate-leadership/
@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado@Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado And? If your friends tell you to jump off a cliff because the Raptor is happening tomorrow, are you gonna jump off a cliff? Or think and strategize? I hate this self-defeating shit. If you won't DO anything to change the world, OF COURSE nothing will change. Sitting on your ass and whining is the worst response.
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@Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado And? If your friends tell you to jump off a cliff because the Raptor is happening tomorrow, are you gonna jump off a cliff? Or think and strategize? I hate this self-defeating shit. If you won't DO anything to change the world, OF COURSE nothing will change. Sitting on your ass and whining is the worst response.
@thepoliticalcat @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
"because the Raptor is happening tomorrow"
you mean rapture but PLEASE do not correct your typo, it is exquisite
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why would I vote for this party?
https://www.commondreams.org/news/schumer-israel-aid
@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado@Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado "why would I vote"
You wouldn't. It would interfere with your carefully cultivated worthlessness.
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@thepoliticalcat @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
"because the Raptor is happening tomorrow"
you mean rapture but PLEASE do not correct your typo, it is exquisite
@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado No, I actually DO mean "Raptor." Some lunatics announced it a few days ago, and posted a Velociraptor and a Pastor Raptor pic with it, and I was simply enchanted. I want to participate in the Raptor!
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@benroyce @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado No, I actually DO mean "Raptor." Some lunatics announced it a few days ago, and posted a Velociraptor and a Pastor Raptor pic with it, and I was simply enchanted. I want to participate in the Raptor!
@thepoliticalcat @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
The Raptor is coming
Praise be
We will be judged and if found wanting we will be consumed
If we are pure we will pass to the realm of dino delights
HALLELUJAH!
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Yup there is none.
Just like there is no "cast them all into a volcano" optionWould that there was, but there isn't
What you get is the optician's exam - Is 1 better, or 2. 1 or 2. If you stand away and don't choose, you get shitty spectacles, not the magical ones you imagine, not do your eyes suddenly improve on their own.
@Kierkegaanks @benroyce @Netraven @JakeKb @mcnado @Pine_Affinity
@screwturn if only there were, actually, a "cast them all into a volcano" option
then only the most confident and thoughtful persons would run.
however, I know Nevada has a NOTA option on their ballots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_of_These_Candidates
@A_Minion @Kierkegaanks @benroyce @Netraven @JakeKb @mcnado @Pine_Affinity
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@Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado oh no! The Hill!?! Well if a tabloid said it, that certainly gives you an excuse to stay home and not do anything!
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@Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado oh no! The Hill!?! Well if a tabloid said it, that certainly gives you an excuse to stay home and not do anything!
@Amoshias @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
"i stand against the corrupt status quo
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i accept the lies of the corrupt mouthpieces of the status quo to justify my indolence and cynical acceptance via inaction of the corrupt status quo"
