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What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks?

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  • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

    What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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    @johncarlosbaez

    One of the stars of Hacks is Laraine Newman's daughter.

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    • magnus@mastodon.worldM magnus@mastodon.world

      @johncarlosbaez

      I was surprised to learn that there are small cleaner ants that clean bigger ants of a different species.

      If one insect wants help with cleaning, why choose another smaller insect of the same family? One could imagine so many other willing arthropods.

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      @futurebird

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      • maxpool@mathstodon.xyzM maxpool@mathstodon.xyz

        @johncarlosbaez

        Ancient Rome consumed lots of oil and they didn't reuse the large Dressel 20 amphora barrels. Monte Testaccio in Rome is a 'trash mountain' made of 53 million broken olive oil amphorae.

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        @maxpool - "53 milllion" is where I got surprised.

        I wondered how long they dumped those amphorae there, so I looked it up on the Wikipedia article:

        "Deposits found by excavators have been dated to a period between approximately AD 140 to 250, but it is possible that dumping could have begun on the site as early as the 1st century BC."

        So, at least 110 years, but maybe over 250!

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        • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

          What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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          @Lambo got here first with my top fact, so i'll go with this one:

          transit operators in the u.s. are not authorized to question the pedigree of your 'service animal.'

          as long as you identify the animal as such, you are permitted to bring it on the bus.

          *any* animal.

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          • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

            @buo - I should learn what this *means*. I once almost knew what a Kalman filter is, and I know it's extremely important. But I don't know what a phase-locked loop is.

            I love ODE, so this is embarassing! There's always room for progress.

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            @johncarlosbaez @buo

            In phase locked loop output signal phase tracks input signal's phase. It's like automatic tuning, Frequencies synchronize through feedback.

            Think tidal locking, or two pendelums in the same beam. I'm not sure 100% sure but I think Josephson effect is also like this.

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            • saltywizard@beige.partyS saltywizard@beige.party

              @johncarlosbaez

              @Lambo got here first with my top fact, so i'll go with this one:

              transit operators in the u.s. are not authorized to question the pedigree of your 'service animal.'

              as long as you identify the animal as such, you are permitted to bring it on the bus.

              *any* animal.

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              @saltywizard - what are the most crazy examples of service animals that have been recorded?

              @Lambo

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              • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                @saltywizard - what are the most crazy examples of service animals that have been recorded?

                @Lambo

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                @johncarlosbaez @Lambo

                i've heard local anecdotes about a pony on the bus, but i haven't researched national trends.

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                • saltywizard@beige.partyS saltywizard@beige.party

                  @johncarlosbaez @Lambo

                  i've heard local anecdotes about a pony on the bus, but i haven't researched national trends.

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                  @saltywizard - I feel there should be YouTube videos about this....

                  @Lambo

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                  • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                    @isaackuo @drdrowland - I see, so colonizing it via air-filled balloon-like floating structures?

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                    @johncarlosbaez @isaackuo

                    we will have to mine the surface for structural material

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                    • pschwahn@mathstodon.xyzP pschwahn@mathstodon.xyz

                      @johncarlosbaez That distilled water is completely safe to drink (contrary to what I learned in school)!

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                      @pschwahn - hmm, I never thought it was unsafe. It's just water, after all! But nobody ever told me otherwise. I wonder how common that belief is.

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                      • julesh@mathstodon.xyzJ julesh@mathstodon.xyz

                        @johncarlosbaez @pigworker I learned the same thing but the other way round (this is not a coincidence, we were in the same place when it happened). I knew this operation was a monad but didn't know it was the free monad monad

                        Said in terms of just polynomial functors, the operation p* defined as the least fixpoint of p*(y) = y + p(p*(y)) (that's the least fixpoint of an endofunctor on Poly) is both a monad -* on Poly, and also has the property that p* is a monad on Set for every p

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                        @julesh @pigworker - I don't even know what a "container" is. It's my own fault. There's this repository of computer sciency category theory terminology that's different from the mathy category theory terminology, and I've never been tempted to explore it. There must be something about it that repulses me. I guess my love of math fizzles out when it starts getting too close to computer science. I apologize.

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                        • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                          @pschwahn - hmm, I never thought it was unsafe. It's just water, after all! But nobody ever told me otherwise. I wonder how common that belief is.

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                          @johncarlosbaez @pschwahn I heard this in chemistry class in school. Well, "distilled water is not for drinking" was the rule, the justification was that it lacked some of the essential stuff found in tapwater.

                          Presumably, it was also to prevent students from drinking the distilled water, which parents donated to the chemistry class.

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                          • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                            @julesh @pigworker - I don't even know what a "container" is. It's my own fault. There's this repository of computer sciency category theory terminology that's different from the mathy category theory terminology, and I've never been tempted to explore it. There must be something about it that repulses me. I guess my love of math fizzles out when it starts getting too close to computer science. I apologize.

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                            @johncarlosbaez @julesh @pigworker Mathematicians tend to call containers "polynomial functors". David Spivak has written a lot about them under this name.

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                            • eigil@mathstodon.xyzE eigil@mathstodon.xyz

                              @johncarlosbaez @julesh @pigworker Mathematicians tend to call containers "polynomial functors". David Spivak has written a lot about them under this name.

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                              @eigil True. I'm a touch old-fashioned in this respect. I note that renaming all the things is the number one strategy when it comes to ignoring prior art. @johncarlosbaez @julesh

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                              • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                                @foldworks - special relativity manages to make good use of a story involving *both* twins and something akin to time travel. The Twin (Non)Paradox.

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                                @johncarlosbaez @foldworks well akSHUallY I think you mean "general relativity" because only non-inertial reference frames could lead to the twins being different ages when reunited.

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                                • thmprover@mathstodon.xyzT thmprover@mathstodon.xyz

                                  @johncarlosbaez @pschwahn I heard this in chemistry class in school. Well, "distilled water is not for drinking" was the rule, the justification was that it lacked some of the essential stuff found in tapwater.

                                  Presumably, it was also to prevent students from drinking the distilled water, which parents donated to the chemistry class.

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                                  @thmprover @johncarlosbaez @pschwahn

                                  The reason I heard is that it reverses the direction of osmosis in your gut, leaching nutrients from your body instead of distributing them.

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                                  • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                                    What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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                                    Here's my big recent surprise: the number

                                    F = (2221564096 + 283748 sqrt(462)) / 491993569

                                    plays a fundamental role in number theory!

                                    For any irrational x, we define its 'Lagrange number' to be the supremum of c such that

                                    |(p/q) - x| < 1/cq²

                                    has infinitely many solutions for rationals p/q. So, the bigger the Lagrange number is, the easier x is to approximate by rational numbers. Quite famously, the golden ratio has the smallest possible Lagrange number, namely √5.

                                    Here's the shocking fact: every real number ≥ F is a Lagrange number, and F is the smallest number with this property!

                                    F is called 'Freiman's constant', because he proved this fact. His proof is 100 pages, and I don't want to read it... but some people have.

                                    There's a lot more crazy stuff about the set of all Lagrange numbers. A tiny bit is here:

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                                    • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                                      Here's my big recent surprise: the number

                                      F = (2221564096 + 283748 sqrt(462)) / 491993569

                                      plays a fundamental role in number theory!

                                      For any irrational x, we define its 'Lagrange number' to be the supremum of c such that

                                      |(p/q) - x| < 1/cq²

                                      has infinitely many solutions for rationals p/q. So, the bigger the Lagrange number is, the easier x is to approximate by rational numbers. Quite famously, the golden ratio has the smallest possible Lagrange number, namely √5.

                                      Here's the shocking fact: every real number ≥ F is a Lagrange number, and F is the smallest number with this property!

                                      F is called 'Freiman's constant', because he proved this fact. His proof is 100 pages, and I don't want to read it... but some people have.

                                      There's a lot more crazy stuff about the set of all Lagrange numbers. A tiny bit is here:

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                                      Markov spectrum - Wikipedia

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                                      @johncarlosbaez
                                      Somehow I missed this in the past. It's believable, but not particularly intuitive.

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                                      • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                                        What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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                                        @johncarlosbaez I learned in Korea recently that North Korea is much more worried about the influence of K-Culture (music, drama, etc) than about military interventions or poverty. And that (South) Korea is the number one per capita consumer of garlic.

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                                        • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                                          Here's my big recent surprise: the number

                                          F = (2221564096 + 283748 sqrt(462)) / 491993569

                                          plays a fundamental role in number theory!

                                          For any irrational x, we define its 'Lagrange number' to be the supremum of c such that

                                          |(p/q) - x| < 1/cq²

                                          has infinitely many solutions for rationals p/q. So, the bigger the Lagrange number is, the easier x is to approximate by rational numbers. Quite famously, the golden ratio has the smallest possible Lagrange number, namely √5.

                                          Here's the shocking fact: every real number ≥ F is a Lagrange number, and F is the smallest number with this property!

                                          F is called 'Freiman's constant', because he proved this fact. His proof is 100 pages, and I don't want to read it... but some people have.

                                          There's a lot more crazy stuff about the set of all Lagrange numbers. A tiny bit is here:

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                                          Markov spectrum - Wikipedia

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                                          (en.wikipedia.org)

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                                          @johncarlosbaez It looks like the continued fraction expansion of the Friedman constant has period 66754.

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                                          Simple continued fraction of Freiman's constant

                                          The quadratic irrational $\frac{2221564096+283748\sqrt{462}}{491993569}$ is known as Freiman's constant and arises in the theory of continued fractions. I'm curious as to its simple continued frac...

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                                          It would be nice if there is a geometric interpretation of this constant.

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