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What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks?

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  • isaackuo@spacey.spaceI isaackuo@spacey.space

    @johncarlosbaez @drdrowland Geoffrey Landis has used this observation to propose both manned missions to Venus and colonization in Venus's atmosphere.

    Breathable air is a decent lifting gas, as the atmosphere is mostly CO2 (quite a bit heavier than both N2 and O2).

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    @isaackuo @drdrowland - I see, so colonizing it via air-filled balloon-like floating structures?

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    • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

      @otacke - I don't know enough about these deer to be surprised! They sound like European or British deer to me. Do they have overlapping ranges?

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      @johncarlosbaez I don't know any specifics. 😀 Until yesterday, I believed that a "Reh" (roe, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_deer) was a female "Hirsch" (stag, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_deer). But apparently they are both deer, yet different species - and not to be confused with fallow deers. Took me only shy over 40 years to learn that. 🤷‍♂️

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      • otacke@chaos.socialO otacke@chaos.social

        @johncarlosbaez I don't know any specifics. 😀 Until yesterday, I believed that a "Reh" (roe, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_deer) was a female "Hirsch" (stag, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_deer). But apparently they are both deer, yet different species - and not to be confused with fallow deers. Took me only shy over 40 years to learn that. 🤷‍♂️

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        @johncarlosbaez Now I wonder what type of deer Bambi is.

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        • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

          What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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          @johncarlosbaez That distilled water is completely safe to drink (contrary to what I learned in school)!

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          • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

            What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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            @johncarlosbaez

            One of the stars of Hacks is Laraine Newman's daughter.

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            • magnus@mastodon.worldM magnus@mastodon.world

              @johncarlosbaez

              I was surprised to learn that there are small cleaner ants that clean bigger ants of a different species.

              If one insect wants help with cleaning, why choose another smaller insect of the same family? One could imagine so many other willing arthropods.

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              Attached: 1 image Did ants learn this from cleaner fish? There are small ants that clean big ants without meeting any agression, just like small cleaner fish can clean sharks. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ece3.73308

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              @magnus @johncarlosbaez

              @futurebird

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              • maxpool@mathstodon.xyzM maxpool@mathstodon.xyz

                @johncarlosbaez

                Ancient Rome consumed lots of oil and they didn't reuse the large Dressel 20 amphora barrels. Monte Testaccio in Rome is a 'trash mountain' made of 53 million broken olive oil amphorae.

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                @maxpool - "53 milllion" is where I got surprised.

                I wondered how long they dumped those amphorae there, so I looked it up on the Wikipedia article:

                "Deposits found by excavators have been dated to a period between approximately AD 140 to 250, but it is possible that dumping could have begun on the site as early as the 1st century BC."

                So, at least 110 years, but maybe over 250!

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                • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                  What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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                  @johncarlosbaez

                  @Lambo got here first with my top fact, so i'll go with this one:

                  transit operators in the u.s. are not authorized to question the pedigree of your 'service animal.'

                  as long as you identify the animal as such, you are permitted to bring it on the bus.

                  *any* animal.

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                  • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                    @buo - I should learn what this *means*. I once almost knew what a Kalman filter is, and I know it's extremely important. But I don't know what a phase-locked loop is.

                    I love ODE, so this is embarassing! There's always room for progress.

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                    @johncarlosbaez @buo

                    In phase locked loop output signal phase tracks input signal's phase. It's like automatic tuning, Frequencies synchronize through feedback.

                    Think tidal locking, or two pendelums in the same beam. I'm not sure 100% sure but I think Josephson effect is also like this.

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                    • saltywizard@beige.partyS saltywizard@beige.party

                      @johncarlosbaez

                      @Lambo got here first with my top fact, so i'll go with this one:

                      transit operators in the u.s. are not authorized to question the pedigree of your 'service animal.'

                      as long as you identify the animal as such, you are permitted to bring it on the bus.

                      *any* animal.

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                      @saltywizard - what are the most crazy examples of service animals that have been recorded?

                      @Lambo

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                      • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                        @saltywizard - what are the most crazy examples of service animals that have been recorded?

                        @Lambo

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                        @johncarlosbaez @Lambo

                        i've heard local anecdotes about a pony on the bus, but i haven't researched national trends.

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                        • saltywizard@beige.partyS saltywizard@beige.party

                          @johncarlosbaez @Lambo

                          i've heard local anecdotes about a pony on the bus, but i haven't researched national trends.

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                          @saltywizard - I feel there should be YouTube videos about this....

                          @Lambo

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                          • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                            @isaackuo @drdrowland - I see, so colonizing it via air-filled balloon-like floating structures?

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                            @johncarlosbaez @isaackuo

                            we will have to mine the surface for structural material

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                            • pschwahn@mathstodon.xyzP pschwahn@mathstodon.xyz

                              @johncarlosbaez That distilled water is completely safe to drink (contrary to what I learned in school)!

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                              @pschwahn - hmm, I never thought it was unsafe. It's just water, after all! But nobody ever told me otherwise. I wonder how common that belief is.

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                              • julesh@mathstodon.xyzJ julesh@mathstodon.xyz

                                @johncarlosbaez @pigworker I learned the same thing but the other way round (this is not a coincidence, we were in the same place when it happened). I knew this operation was a monad but didn't know it was the free monad monad

                                Said in terms of just polynomial functors, the operation p* defined as the least fixpoint of p*(y) = y + p(p*(y)) (that's the least fixpoint of an endofunctor on Poly) is both a monad -* on Poly, and also has the property that p* is a monad on Set for every p

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                                @julesh @pigworker - I don't even know what a "container" is. It's my own fault. There's this repository of computer sciency category theory terminology that's different from the mathy category theory terminology, and I've never been tempted to explore it. There must be something about it that repulses me. I guess my love of math fizzles out when it starts getting too close to computer science. I apologize.

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                                • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                                  @pschwahn - hmm, I never thought it was unsafe. It's just water, after all! But nobody ever told me otherwise. I wonder how common that belief is.

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                                  @johncarlosbaez @pschwahn I heard this in chemistry class in school. Well, "distilled water is not for drinking" was the rule, the justification was that it lacked some of the essential stuff found in tapwater.

                                  Presumably, it was also to prevent students from drinking the distilled water, which parents donated to the chemistry class.

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                                  • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                                    @julesh @pigworker - I don't even know what a "container" is. It's my own fault. There's this repository of computer sciency category theory terminology that's different from the mathy category theory terminology, and I've never been tempted to explore it. There must be something about it that repulses me. I guess my love of math fizzles out when it starts getting too close to computer science. I apologize.

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                                    @johncarlosbaez @julesh @pigworker Mathematicians tend to call containers "polynomial functors". David Spivak has written a lot about them under this name.

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                                    • eigil@mathstodon.xyzE eigil@mathstodon.xyz

                                      @johncarlosbaez @julesh @pigworker Mathematicians tend to call containers "polynomial functors". David Spivak has written a lot about them under this name.

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                                      @eigil True. I'm a touch old-fashioned in this respect. I note that renaming all the things is the number one strategy when it comes to ignoring prior art. @johncarlosbaez @julesh

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                                      • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                                        @foldworks - special relativity manages to make good use of a story involving *both* twins and something akin to time travel. The Twin (Non)Paradox.

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                                        @johncarlosbaez @foldworks well akSHUallY I think you mean "general relativity" because only non-inertial reference frames could lead to the twins being different ages when reunited.

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                                        • thmprover@mathstodon.xyzT thmprover@mathstodon.xyz

                                          @johncarlosbaez @pschwahn I heard this in chemistry class in school. Well, "distilled water is not for drinking" was the rule, the justification was that it lacked some of the essential stuff found in tapwater.

                                          Presumably, it was also to prevent students from drinking the distilled water, which parents donated to the chemistry class.

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                                          @thmprover @johncarlosbaez @pschwahn

                                          The reason I heard is that it reverses the direction of osmosis in your gut, leaching nutrients from your body instead of distributing them.

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